Splitting Werneri and Jackson’s species…maybe more discussion about other interesting differences..

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Moving this post in this thread to here…
https://www.chameleonforums.com/threads/jackson’s-chameleon-need-sub-species-identification.194423/

@Motherlode Chameleon said…“That is an interesting video about Trioceros jacksonii ssp. I am flipping through my "Mountain Dragons" book by Jan Stipala. I heard that Trioceros werneri was going to be split into multiple species rather than the one species. However I did not hear about Trioceros jacksonii jacksonii being split into multiple species. Going through my "Mountain Dragons" book the pictures of the Trioceros jacksonii jacksonii look to have multiple species worthy amount of variation. Interesting!”…

Over the years I have found quite a few slight differences in some chameleon species that were never noted anywhere that I found and I never found indications that there would be any splitting of ones that hadn’t been split already either.

 

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I had some chameleons many years ago that came in as werneri but they weren’t all werneri. The photos were ousted by a friend of mine on ADCHAM in spite of me mentioning that they were not all werneri.

There were also differences in the crests on the backs of Meller’s chameleons that were different. Susan James noticed it in some of hers when I mentioned it too her.

More about this in a while…I have to get this old brain to remember the details and to look up some info about it.

 

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Another species I noticed differences in was the deremensis. I’m not sure I can find my notes on all of this.

 

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I had some chameleons many years ago that came in as werneri but they weren’t all werneri. The photos were ousted by a friend of mine on ADCHAM in spite of me mentioning that they were not all werneri.

There were also differences in the crests on the backs of Meller’s chameleons that were different. Susan James noticed it in some of hers when I mentioned it too her.

More about this in a while…I have to get this old brain to remember the details and to look up some info about it.

There are a minimum of two types of Tricoeros werneri. There is the standard Trioceros werneri and the Red Headed Long Horn Trioceros werneri. Allegedly there are a couple other types that are not well documented as well.

Another species I noticed differences in was the deremensis. I’m not sure I can find my notes on all of this.

Trioceros deremensis are normally found from the Usambara Mountains in Tanzania. The new ranges from modern chameleon books has Trioceros deremensis being native to multiple other habitat mountain ranges. Those seperate populations could explain some variation in Trioceros deremensis. I am acquianted with a genetic variation of Trioceros deremensis, that sometimes shows up as an Orange Phase Trioceros deremensis.

Pictures when I locate some.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

 

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In post #2, I meant posted not ousted. (I hate spell check,)