Swollen Horn???
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bigwigwabbit
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Is it on both sides? how long has it been there? ect. filling out the help form would help us 
https://www.chameleonforums.com/how-ask-help-66/
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Lizardlover
New Member
The casque commonly stores fat. Just dont feed her so much and it should go away, a little fat storage is good though, and normal for a healthy chameleon.
Rstuart
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Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - veiled, f, 2yrs. 2yrs?
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon? once every couple days
Feeding - feed her about 5-10 crickets every day or 2 most of the time they are dusted with calcium .... also some mealworms / butterworms / silkworms ....about 5 of 1 of those every 4th day
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? an iv dripper we leave on for a few hours everyday... put a few calcium drops in her water .... yes we see her drink every so often
Fecal Description - brown and white some yellow every now and then
(never been tested for paracites)
Your Chameleon - veiled, f, 2yrs. 2yrs?
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon? once every couple days
Feeding - feed her about 5-10 crickets every day or 2 most of the time they are dusted with calcium .... also some mealworms / butterworms / silkworms ....about 5 of 1 of those every 4th day
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? an iv dripper we leave on for a few hours everyday... put a few calcium drops in her water .... yes we see her drink every so often
Fecal Description - brown and white some yellow every now and then
(never been tested for paracites)
carol5208
Chameleon Enthusiast
You said you cham was 2 yrs old but how long has it been in your care? You don't need to put calcium drops in the water if you are dusting you feeders with calcium already. Also, is it calcium w/ or without d3? That is important. Also please tell us what type of lighting you are using also. Just trying to cover allthe bases here and make sure you are doing everything right for your chamelon.
AESara
Member
You need both calcium without D3 and calcium with D3. The kind without will be used on most days. The kind with D3 will be used less often... maybe twice per month. You will also want a multivitamin to be used about as often as the calcium with D3. Herptivite is a good multivitamin.
For example, one week I will dust with calcium without D3 five days of the week. One day I will use the calcium with D3. On the remaining day, I don't dust the feeders with anything.
The next week, I will do the same thing, but I will use Herptivite instead of calcium with D3.
If your cham is two years old, I think she can eat every other day rather than every day. Hopefully someone more experienced than myself will comment on that, though. I have never owned a female.
Edit: I have read about swelling occurring when a cham has gotten an improper amount of vitamin A... You could try the search option to find information about vitamin A.
For example, one week I will dust with calcium without D3 five days of the week. One day I will use the calcium with D3. On the remaining day, I don't dust the feeders with anything.
The next week, I will do the same thing, but I will use Herptivite instead of calcium with D3.
If your cham is two years old, I think she can eat every other day rather than every day. Hopefully someone more experienced than myself will comment on that, though. I have never owned a female.
Edit: I have read about swelling occurring when a cham has gotten an improper amount of vitamin A... You could try the search option to find information about vitamin A.
carol5208
Chameleon Enthusiast
oh my gosh, that is alot of d3 youhave been giving it. Way too much! Can you please post some other pictures of your chameleon. There are alot of complications that can happen with d3 over supplementation. Is your chameleon get outdoors in the sun on top of all this d3 you have been giving him? Would appreciate you posting some other pictures of your chameleons limbs that are clearer to view. By the way, who advised you to give your chamelon d3 at every feeding? Just curious.
carol5208
Chameleon Enthusiast
Swelling can also occur from a d3 overdose.
AESara
Member
I didn't know that, thank you for the information.
Rstuart, I agree that if you would post some clear pictures of each of the cham's limbs, the forum may be able to help you more. With that much D3 over such a long period, she will probably need to see an experienced vet.
Her problem may be reversible, but the sooner you try, the better.
carol5208
Chameleon Enthusiast
I didn't know that, thank you for the information.
Rstuart, I agree that if you would post some clear pictures of each of the cham's limbs, the forum may be able to help you more. With that much D3 over such a long period, she will probably need to see an experienced vet.
Not positive about swelling in the casque but I know it can cause swelling in the limbs. "Vitamin D3
Excess vitamin D3 supplementation especially in combination with calcium may result in organ toxicity. Metastatic calcification and gout are common results. Gular edema or pseudo gout is a common clinical sign of these problems. The pseudo-gout (calcium hydroxyapatite) deposits usually appear as irregular firm swellings over joints in the limbs and on ribs."
This was taken off another thread from awhile back.
bigwigwabbit
Avid Member
Yeah, if u have the 5.0 reptisun and take ur guy outside every now and then, u should only have to dust w/d3 once a month, maybe twice thats it. Every day or every other day w/d3, what u are doing is overkill
Lizardlover
New Member
Yeah, if u have the 5.0 reptisun and take ur guy outside every now and then, u should only have to dust w/d3 once a month, maybe twice thats it. Every day or every other day w/d3, what u are doing is overkill
Not entirely true...Screameleons uses that regimen I believe. They use D3 quit often.
bigwigwabbit
Avid Member
The person who posted this thread is using d3 everyday or every otherday as previously stated. From my expierence and research this is overkill, you dont need to give them that much d3.
Lizardlover
New Member
The person who posted this thread is using d3 everyday or every otherday as previously stated. From my expierence and research this is overkill, you dont need to give them that much d3.
I dont get what your trying to say here? All I was saying was that whatever it is (which I believe are fat pads, Ive never heard of a chameleon having a swollen "horn" or casque....) it probably has nothing at all to do with calcium d3 overdose. Yes, every other day is a bit much, but Screameleons who is a top-notch breeder uses d3 2/3 times a week for adults and more for juveniles. I personally dont do this, Im just trying to inform you that many people have success using quite a bit of d3.
Rstuart
New Member
we will deffinetly cut down on the d3.... thanks or all ur feedback
here is a link i found on google it shows exactally what our cham looks like
http://homepage.mac.com/exoticdvm/reptile/PhotoAlbum227.html
dosnt look like this doctor has a diagnosis either
here is a link i found on google it shows exactally what our cham looks like
http://homepage.mac.com/exoticdvm/reptile/PhotoAlbum227.html
dosnt look like this doctor has a diagnosis either
carol5208
Chameleon Enthusiast
I never stated that the casque could become swollen from excessive d3 I was just reposting a thread that said d3 could cause swelling in the limbs and I asked him to post a few more pics of his cham just to be on the safe side. Also, we don't know how much natural sunlight the chamelon gets. Correct me if I am wrong, but d3 should be regulated by the amount of outdoor use the chameleon is receiving, no?. My breeder Kammerflage recomends while they are babies, and juvies, d3 twice a week and then at 13 months or so they cut way back on ALL their supplements. I believe different supplementation schedules can work, but also the d3 that is recommended on here seems to work also with all the healthy chams pictured on this forum.
Eszzie
New Member
There is also a difference in what kind of product with D3 is used. If your chameleon goes outside during the summer, you don't even have to give extra D3. I spoke about this with a very experienced reptile vet and the D3 vitamin they make when they sit inside the sun is different from what we give in drops or powders, also they kind of store these vitamins in their body, but the powder or drops we give ourself can do damage. Using a good UVb lamp together with calcium and mineral supplement and putting your chameleon outside a lot in the summer is enough. I don't ever give my chameleons extra D3 through the year and never had problems. In the winter I use Minerall indoor ofcourse, but has a very small percentage of D3, but I mostly give just pure calcium. I want to keep it as natural as possible and don't want to use to much chemicals. I give my feeding animals a lot of vegetables and fruits, all clean and fresh. I handspray my chameleons twice a day. If it gets worse i would take her to the vet for sure. I've seen swollen casques wit older chameleons more often, but they mostly have disformed limbs as well.
carol5208
Chameleon Enthusiast
That is why I asked him to post some pictures of the chameleon that are better and detail his limbs.
His leg looks very fat in the picture he posted but it could be the angle of the camera or a bad angle or something.
