Toxicity check

[Mr Bojangles]

How toxic is an Oleander plant to veiled chams.

long story short i had my cham outside and he crawled out of his umbrella plant onto an oleander i had it near, i have been sitting outside with him in these early spring times cause i havent built him an outdoor setup yet.

anyhow i went inside for a second when i got back out he had crawled to the oleander and as i find him again i see him take one giant bite of a leaf right as he is crawling onto the oleander... i searched for other bites and looks like he just took one.

question is will he be fine? will he get sick? is it so toxic he may die?
assuming that it is toxic because i have not seen it on any safe plants lists.

thanks in advance to whomever responds

 

[Syn]

I do not see it under it's common name on either of these links:
Edible Plants List
Safe Plants List for Chameleons

 

[Mr Bojangles]

yes, thats what i'm saying, im assuming it is toxic.

i am looking for someone that may be experienced and may know the toxicity of an oleander and if this is serious or minor thing to just avoid happening again.

 

[pssh]

I believe it can be deadly to people, I dont know about reptiles though...

 

[dodolah]

A swift research in google seems to indicate that Oleander is toxic to pet when consumed in sufficient quantity (assuming that you have the same species of plant). Although we mainly talk about dogs and cats in this case, but I would take it out just to be safe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerium_oleander
http://www.dog-pictures.co.uk/dog-care-articles/common_plants_poisonous_to_dogs.shtml

Perhaps, the next time you put plants into your chameleon cage, it is best for you to check its toxicity level first to avoid things like this.
I would go with the more common plants that are considered safe such as Hibiscus rosa sinensis.

 

[Brad Ramsey]

Oleander is toxic.
How toxic to a veiled chameleon? I don't know, but it is considered a poisonous plant.

-Brad

 

[Lizardlover]

A swift research in google seems to indicate that Oleander is toxic to pet when consumed in sufficient quantity (assuming that you have the same species of plant). Although we mainly talk about dogs and cats in this case, but I would take it out just to be safe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerium_oleander
http://www.dog-pictures.co.uk/dog-care-articles/common_plants_poisonous_to_dogs.shtml

Perhaps, the next time you put plants into your chameleon cage, it is best for you to check its toxicity level first to avoid things like this.
I would go with the more common plants that are considered safe such as Hibiscus rosa sinensis.

Yes the plant is toxic, but he stated that his chameleon took a bite out of it while it was outside. It was not in the enclosure.

 

[Mr Bojangles]

A swift research in google seems to indicate that Oleander is toxic to pet when consumed in sufficient quantity (assuming that you have the same species of plant). Although we mainly talk about dogs and cats in this case, but I would take it out just to be safe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerium_oleander
http://www.dog-pictures.co.uk/dog-care-articles/common_plants_poisonous_to_dogs.shtml

Perhaps, the next time you put plants into your chameleon cage, it is best for you to check its toxicity level first to avoid things like this.
I would go with the more common plants that are considered safe such as Hibiscus rosa sinensis.

hrmm perhaps it would be best to fully read and understand a persons post.

i stated this was outside, because i havent made him an outdoor setup yet.
i have an indoor setup that he normally stays in.

so perhaps it would be best to not scrutinize an accidental situation.

 

[Courtney]

untill it passes i would inject all feeders with excess fluids and possibly a warm bath to help him poop faster...the faster it passes the less toxin is absorbed. Call your vet that is GREAT with chams...he may need vet care now or after. Good luck i know its scarry!!!


The plant isnt in the cage but outside

 

[dodolah]

hrmm perhaps it would be best to fully read and understand a persons post.

i stated this was outside, because i havent made him an outdoor setup yet.
i have an indoor setup that he normally stays in.

so perhaps it would be best to not scrutinize an accidental situation.

I apologize if I sounded like scrutinizing.
There is no intention. I meant it in the most neutral tone when I am writing it.

 

[Syn]

so perhaps it would be best to not scrutinize an accidental situation.

Can you really consider this accidental?

anyhow i went inside for a second when i got back out he had crawled to the oleander and as i find him again i see him take one giant bite of a leaf right as he is crawling onto the oleander...

I'm not trying to scrutinize (edit:lol me and Franz used the same word ) you or anything, but things like this can be prevented.
There have been many threads where people go inside for just a second and come back to a missing chameleon, or a dead chameleon.

Just keep that in mind. I hope your chameleon is alright!

 

[Mr Bojangles]

well, point of fact is yea i did leave him but when i mean only a second, i stepped two feet inside the door to grab my already poured glass of tea. but yes, he could have disappeared or something. i see how helpful this forum can be, its a typical web forum.. people bash rather than help... this thread can be closed.. im not coming back to it.... laters and piss off

 

[Brad Ramsey]

Let's steer away from any more criticism, the horse is already out of the barn.
My gut feeling is that he will be okay.
We are probably overly cautious with plants (not a bad idea) and really don't know what the actual effects of some plants would be (if any).
It would not be a bad idea to give the vet a call and get that opinion.

-Brad

 

[dodolah]

well, point of fact is yea i did leave him but when i mean only a second, i stepped two feet inside the door to grab my already poured glass of tea. but yes, he could have disappeared or something. i see how helpful this forum can be, its a typical web forum.. people bash rather than help... this thread can be closed.. im not coming back to it.... laters and piss off

well.. It's too bad. I hope you do reconsider. I really don't mean my post as a scrutinizing statement. Again, i apologize. When i am typing it, i meant it in the most neutral tone ever.

I think I will take a chill pill and excused myself from this thread. My bad

 

[DGray]

Nerium oleander

While Oleander is always counted among the most poisonous of plants, it usually take more than one leaf to kill a large animal or a person. It is so dangerously toxic, I don't think oleander should be used in most human environments. Goes without saying, that includes animal habitats.

Poisoning in this country is relatively common; death is rare. The toxic components are characterized as cardiac glycosides of the cardenolide type. These are toxic across a wide range of animal taxa, from insects to primates. Antidotes can be given if the physician knows the poison's source.

Death in humans usually takes from 5-15 leaves. This quantity can only be consumed intentionally. I expect that a small animal might be in danger with only one small bite. Insects that may have fed on oleander are also not recommended.

I too, do not think the OP should be subject to criticism. I am somewhat shocked at some of the senior member's responses to the original question. Kindness is a virtue. Karma can bite you...

 

[vinny knight cham]

While Oleander is always counted among the most poisonous of plants, it usually take more than one leaf to kill a large animal or a person. It is so dangerously toxic, I don't think oleander should be used in most human environments. Goes without saying, that includes animal habitats.

Poisoning in this country is relatively common; death is rare. The toxic components are characterized as cardiac glycosides of the cardenolide type. These are toxic across a wide range of animal taxa, from insects to primates. Antidotes can be given if the physician knows the poison's source.

Death in humans usually takes from 5-15 leaves. This quantity can only be consumed intentionally. I expect that a small animal might be in danger with only one small bite. Insects that may have fed on oleander are also not recommended.

I too, do not think the OP should be subject to criticism. I am somewhat shocked at some of the senior member's responses to the original question. Kindness is a virtue. Karma can bite you...

i agree totally but the member who said about not putting any plant in the enclousure did'nt mean to write it in the way he did and the other person was just helping the original poster for the future
this forum is for people who need help and even samrt people with alot of knowledge learn new things and it is anoying when there is a lack of respect
and people who do have a lack of respect when quoting havent just upset the poster but put the chameleons life in risk as the poster aint coming back

 

[Julirs]

A swift research in google seems to indicate that Oleander is toxic to pet when consumed in sufficient quantity (assuming that you have the same species of plant). Although we mainly talk about dogs and cats in this case, but I would take it out just to be safe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerium_oleander
http://www.dog-pictures.co.uk/dog-care-articles/common_plants_poisonous_to_dogs.shtml

Perhaps, the next time you put plants into your chameleon cage, it is best for you to check its toxicity level first to avoid things like this.
I would go with the more common plants that are considered safe such as Hibiscus rosa sinensis.

Ok-Poster tells the story of leaving his cham outside-for a second, and he eats toxic plant. Dodolah-as a long time member has these things going through his head: owner did not bother checking area where he left his cham/multiple posts telling same story/multiple posts about chams disappearing, and replies with a sensical and factual post. The in-the-cage part was wrong but we are all guilty of reading quickly. People-when you are on here long enough and you see the same kinds of careless behavior AND YOU TRULY CARE ABOUT THE ANIMAL-these posts will irk you.

hrmm perhaps it would be best to fully read and understand a persons post.

i stated this was outside, because i havent made him an outdoor setup yet.
i have an indoor setup that he normally stays in.

so perhaps it would be best to not scrutinize an accidental situation.

Well-had I seen this post I would have posted with something like-"Check the area and know the dangers before doing something like this-and multiple posters here have had their cham disappear within a second."

Dodlah apologized.

well, point of fact is yea i did leave him but when i mean only a second, i stepped two feet inside the door to grab my already poured glass of tea. but yes, he could have disappeared or something. i see how helpful this forum can be, its a typical web forum.. people bash rather than help... this thread can be closed.. im not coming back to it.... laters and piss off

Hmmmm-Fly off the handle response. He was not bashed. He was told something. I bet this person does not like being told what to do by anyone. They will do it their way. These are the kind of people that DO get bashed.

well.. It's too bad. I hope you do reconsider. I really don't mean my post as a scrutinizing statement. Again, i apologize. When i am typing it, i meant it in the most neutral tone ever.

I think I will take a chill pill and excused myself from this thread. My bad

Dodolah again apologizes. It is not always the people, or the bashing, but rather that we CANNOT come accross in type like we can in person. Passion and caring can come accross like bashing. I for one refuse to resort to ass-kissing on this forum or on any other.