Transvaalense tongue falling out

Laurie,
I think it is VERY important for the Brady keepers to document exact husbandry to best correct this issue. I know it is a pain, but can you give us a rundown. Cage, lighting type, mist times, feeders, gutload, and supplement schedule. If those who are successful are watching, I hope they can post theirs as well. This is the only way our knowledge base can grow, otherwise it's hit and miss with every animal.
 
I sent Laurie the photos of my necropsy and with instructions on how to document what she finds if poor Sophia doesn't make it overnight so we can send them to the vet who did my necropsy and compare anatomical differences/similarities. I'm curious to see how our two compare. I'm hoping she does pull through but it sounds bad, from what she was telling me on the phone. At the very least I hope we can learn something about why this is happening.

No doubt that the animals we received looked good when we got them, but something isn't right with these B. transvaalense, nearly all the females are dead while the males seem to be doing fine. Why?
 
End of this thread. sophia died last night. I am crying and upset so husband has ask me not to try a necropsy. I am not sure what I will do.

Thanks for all the support.
 
Idk if this is a Bradypodion thing or more of just a chameleon thing. Bottom line is most species of chameleons are a pain in the ass and thats why there arent many different species thriving and reproducing in captivity. What happens to all of the wild caught chams that we see come in and lay eggs and then those eggs hatch. Where are all of the hundreds of offspring? Im sure most are dead. I got a cb male K. tavetana earlier this year, and hes dead now, along with the female cb tavetana I had for a good long while. She definitely didnt die of old age but just like chameleons are known to do from time to time, she was dead one day and I didnt know why. I also keep bearded dragons, rhino iguanas, a few snakes, etc. and I never lose any of them and Im sure I will have most of them until Im old. I think we love chameleons because they are such a challenge, not to mention their amazing colors, and morphology and so on.
Chameleons die, captive bred or wild caught. They can be pretty hit or miss and it is frustrating which is why I think most people dont even venture out into the more rare and unusual species and just stick with panthers and veileds.
I am sorry for your loss:(
 
I appreciate not doing the necropsy yourself but could the remains be sent to someone like Dr.O or Ferret or Ivan for a quick look? It might give you some peace.

Laurie I'm sorry I missed your call last night but I'm around if you want to chat. RIP little one.
 
Trace said:
I appreciate not doing the necropsy yourself but could the remains be sent to someone like Dr.O or Ferret or Ivan for a quick look? It might give you some peace.

Laurie I'm sorry I missed your call last night but I'm around if you want to chat. RIP little one.
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I agree. It would help everyone out to have a necropsy done. As being the one who started importing these animals I would love to see them get established here and this is just part of it.

As for them sending a bad batch or the weaker specimen, I highly doubt it. There are slightly better animals in each group but 95% or better are absolutely amazing, fat and healthy when they come in. I too kept the smaller ones like Paul and sent the best specimen out. There are always a one or so in a clutch that are slower than the rest with any species. All the animals I have seen posted are absolutely amazing specimen.

Here is what I have noticed. A lot of you guys are keeping them in pairs. Is it possible the males are stressing the females? This species becomes sexually mature at a VERY young age. Is it possible the males have bred with the females when in fact they need more time to grow and this is why they go down hill? All of us who try and keep them are good keepers but a lot have missed one of the stronger points in keeping chams. Even though they are a communal species we should be keeping them separate until we have a better grasp on their needs and what stresses them.

I hope you guys get it figured out. I never did well with any that I have caught.

Laurie, I am sorry to hear of your loss.
 
Sorry as well Laurie. As others have said, when you can, please forward as much info as possible to help us avoid similar losses.
 
Turningdoc said:
Sorry as well Laurie. As others have said, when you can, please forward as much info as possible to help us avoid similar losses.
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I have posted a lot of my care for my chams, in a couple different threads. I did my attempt at a necropsy, we will see if the vet can tell anything from the pictures.
 
OMG, Laurie i just read this post. I am so sorry for your loss. Is this Brady from the newest imports? I just cannot express how sad i am for you. Please take care. Ruth
 
Very sorry for your loss Laurie, don't blame yourself you seem to have good cham skills and are a careing person. Is it possible the shipping stress is to much for these little guys? Possible parasite issue?
 
I'm sorry to hear about your losse Laury:(
Difficult to say what couse this...
I read several things about problems with bradypodions in the US.
Maybe you need to be lucky to start with good strong bloodlines(unrelaeted)also way of raysing juveniels from the start makes a differance,personally i found animals who are kept outside most of the time(summer) way stronger than those who are kept most of the time inside(parents and baby's) but thats my personal observation.
Good luck with your other animals;)
 
I'm really sorry to hear about your loss Laurie.. I can tell from your posts that you put your heart and soul into taking care of your chameleons, so I know this has to hurt. Know there are folks all around the country, like me, that share your sadness at this news.
 
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