camimom
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I get lunch!? sweet. lol.
Unhappy Baby Jacksons
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I get lunch!? sweet. lol.
camimom
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wait, so ur saying the worse they're cared for, the more babies she'll have ??
No, im sauying if they overfed her, had her basking temps too high.. that it can create a larger clutch.
camimom
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ahh...makes sense
yup, which is nto caring for her properly.
veileds are the same way..
too much food, and too much heat can make large clutches...
the more eggs, the shorter the life.
Action Jackson
Chameleon Enthusiast
You are correct. The last two batches of babies I had were in that range and they can be larger. Smaller clutches are often due to young females or improper care. My females were kept outside with no lights.
Action Jackson
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I don't agree. Large healthy females have large healthy clutches. But I do think breeding too young of a female is sometimes to much for them IMO.
camimom
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with which part?
too much food and heat for veileds create large clutches, this is true, and large clutches can be bad.
Action Jackson
Chameleon Enthusiast
I don't do veileds so I can't coment to that,but I have read the same as you posted. Have you experienced the same with Jackson's?
Ahhh, large clutches are not an unbridled blessing. Last litter cost me almost $300 in crickets over four months, as I made some mistakes with cricket orders--- way too small, too few at a time, and the shipping cost doubles the price of the feeder animals, especially in winter! We had found a high end herp store an hour away in Villanova that knew about Jacksons, poison dart frogs, etc., so off we went after calling. The lizard guy absolutely salivated at the prospect of baby Jacksons, and he took the whole dozen for $300.........so we broke even, but after making an illegal u-turn on the PA turnpike I almost went into the red.
Don't listen to those who think you have to feed babies dust-sized crickets. 1/4 size are great for hatchlings, not those horrible invisible pinheads. I was a biologist in a previous life, so I can culture my own wingless fruit flies. Last litter got fed for weeks on my quart-sized fly cultures, by the thousands, but this is not for the faint of heart.
And one funny story. A new neighbor came to us and said she was "warned" by the harpie up the street about us and our "weird animals". For heaven's sake, all my animals are in cages. You might think I had cougars or lions down here. So there we all are outside with the neighbors and kids, me with a fluorescent panther cham on my arm like a parrot, and who comes jogging by but our bitchy neighbor gossipmonger, rolling her eyes and shaking her head. Now God forgive me, but I couldn't resist so we all screamed, and our "friend" turned long enough to run smack into a tree. Ahhh, revenge......
Don't listen to those who think you have to feed babies dust-sized crickets. 1/4 size are great for hatchlings, not those horrible invisible pinheads. I was a biologist in a previous life, so I can culture my own wingless fruit flies. Last litter got fed for weeks on my quart-sized fly cultures, by the thousands, but this is not for the faint of heart.
And one funny story. A new neighbor came to us and said she was "warned" by the harpie up the street about us and our "weird animals". For heaven's sake, all my animals are in cages. You might think I had cougars or lions down here. So there we all are outside with the neighbors and kids, me with a fluorescent panther cham on my arm like a parrot, and who comes jogging by but our bitchy neighbor gossipmonger, rolling her eyes and shaking her head. Now God forgive me, but I couldn't resist so we all screamed, and our "friend" turned long enough to run smack into a tree. Ahhh, revenge......
Seeco
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God that's great to hear. When I first started telling people how I winter my montane chams like this I got seriously attacked here -- as though the side of a mountain never gets hosed by a winter rainstorm...
Nice story about the "harpy". Can't stand that.
Action Jackson
Chameleon Enthusiast
My Jackson's are in the low 50's to mid 40's almost every night during the Winter. My J Jacksonii really like the cold temps, my xantholphus and meru's don't seem to like it as much though. It's too bad Jackson's are so hard to get rid of otherwise I love to be breeding them more. My biggest clutch was 27.
Action Jackson---do you really have access to the Jackson sub types? What are the populations established in Hawaii and Florida?
zerpda
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Lol
That is hilarious. I hate people that react negatively to something they have absolutely no exerience with. I have an awesome rottie, I've actually had women come up and start petting and loving her, and then they hear she is a rottie and they quickly tense up and walk away. How stupid is that?? I know they have a bad reputation, but come on you were just loving on this dog and now your walking away scared? Wake up!! I have no tolerance for ignorance.
That is hilarious. I hate people that react negatively to something they have absolutely no exerience with. I have an awesome rottie, I've actually had women come up and start petting and loving her, and then they hear she is a rottie and they quickly tense up and walk away. How stupid is that?? I know they have a bad reputation, but come on you were just loving on this dog and now your walking away scared? Wake up!! I have no tolerance for ignorance.
Action Jackson
Chameleon Enthusiast
J xantholophus are common, j Jacksonii are harder to find especially nice acclimated ones and merumontanous are few and far between and again especially acclimated ones.
The Jackson's in Hawaii are Xnatholophus, not sure about the ones in Florida but probably xantholophus also.
Hey another question for the experienced: our two female Jacksons arrived last year, one subadult, the other looked about 4m old. Now, both have grown and are active eaters, but the bigger one is green/black when mad, and the little one is always bark brown with red streaks, black when mad (when Jermaine the male is nearby in his own cage. Jermaine Jackson, get it?). Previously we had females that seemed to be brown/red as if it were a subtype. Would there be a difference in the hatchlings from a brown/red mom compared to a green mom? Or is this a pecking order thing?
amanda509
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id love to have a baby when theyre ready
i currently have a male jackson's and am interested in a female soon, not for breeding yet, but eventually
Action Jackson
Chameleon Enthusiast
A visual barrier between the male and females cages is a good idea. Otherwise you female will be unnecessarily stressed by the sight of a male. Juvenile j xantholophus often have red coloring in sub adulthood. People often think they have some special "red phase jackson" but it is just a phase they go through. I have heard some people say adults can have red coloring but I have never seen it.
coldbloodedAL
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agreed. I fell under this misconception at first, but quickly realized my male lost the red, and every other jackson i have seen. Once in a great while I notice some slight red hues, but it is not a predictable thing.
Action Jackson
Chameleon Enthusiast
They sure are pretty when they're like that. I will they stayed like that, it'd sure be cool.
