Urgent help

[Lsubhi]

Greetings,

I'm from Saudi aArabia, there's no reptiles Vet. in my area AT ALL!
I had my chameleon (Pascal) for almost 18 months, during past 6 months she had this (Mouth rot).

I've kept cleaning her mouth by (Pyralvex), and every time a sore spot heal another appears, until the rot reached her entire "jaw".
Recently, I've noticed her head and eyes got swollen

Also, her tail was broken and kept swollen as the picture attached. but she still moving it though.

Please if any vet or anyone had dealt with such subject can guide me to the proper medication that I can get from normal drug store.


Your help could save her life , i really appreciate it.

Thank you

PS: I've already providing the following:
1-UV light
2-Heat bulb
3-Calcium
4-feeding Worms
5-Vitamins
6-shes almost 2yrs

and here are the pictures:

 

[jannb]

It makes me so sad to see your girl in that condition. Normally when they get a mouth infection the vet will scrap it and clean it out and put them on an antibiotics oral and topical. If the infection if not caught and treated earlier enough the infection can get in the bone and it spreads fast. Is there a vet that you can travel to for help? I have traveled over five hours one way plenty of time to a good reptile vet.

 

[Remkon]

Can you maybe at least get a normal vet? she will need antibiotics and other help and at this point any help will probably be better than no help at all.

 

[Lsubhi]

It makes me so sad to see your girl in that condition. Normally when they get a mouth infection the vet will scrap it and clean it out and put them on an antibiotics oral and topical. If the infection if not caught and treated earlier enough the infection can get in the bone and it spreads fast. Is there a vet that you can travel to for help? I have traveled over five hours one way plenty of time to a good reptile vet.

Thank you, actually I've been looking for a reptile vet around in my country for the last six months with no luck! and you're my last hope of contact
at least if you can provide me with the names of these antibiotics so I can get them (injection / oral)?

 

[Lsubhi]

Can you maybe at least get a normal vet? she will need antibiotics and other help and at this point any help will probably be better than no help at all.

Honestly I've visited already 5 vet clinics and they said we're only specialized in (cats, dogs and birds)

u guys are my last hope <3

 

[jannb]

Thank you, actually I've been looking for a reptile vet around in my country for the last six months with no luck! and you're my last hope of contact
at least if you can provide me with the names of these antibiotics so I can get them (injection / oral)?

We have had other member here from SA that found vets. Read this thread. They mention some vet in it.
https://www.chameleonforums.com/threads/i-need-youre-help-please.53809/#post-504710

If you search at the top for Saudi Arabia and read through the threads you might find more vets. Vets that work on birds usually can work on chameleons.

My vets do a culture and sensitivity test to see what type infection it is and which antibiotics the infection will respond to. You could try one of these antibiotics and see if it might work.
Baytril
Trimethoprim Sulfa
Veraflox
Clindamycin

They also have me use sliver Sulfadiazine Cream almost always for the topical antibiotic to go along with one of the oral antibiotics above or a mother antibiotic not listed above.

 

[Lsubhi]

We have had other member here from SA that found vets. Read this thread. They mention some vet in it.
https://www.chameleonforums.com/threads/i-need-youre-help-please.53809/#post-504710

If you search at the top for Saudi Arabia and read through the threads you might find more vets. Vets that work on birds usually can work on chameleons.

My vets do a culture and sensitivity test to see what type infection it is and which antibiotics the infection will respond to. You could try one of these antibiotics and see if it might work.
Baytril
Trimethoprim Sulfa
Veraflox
Clindamycin

They also have me use sliver Sulfadiazine Cream almost always for the topical antibiotic to go along with one of the oral antibiotics above or a mother antibiotic not listed above.

Thank you very much my friend, your listed ways were so much helpful I'll work on them and I already started contacting the people mentioned in the thread above. thank you again <3

 

[jannb]

Thank you very much my friend, your listed ways were so much helpful I'll work on them and I already started contacting the people mentioned in the thread above. thank you again <3

You are welcome and the very best of luck to you and your girl.

 

[jajeanpierre]

Thank you very much my friend, your listed ways were so much helpful I'll work on them and I already started contacting the people mentioned in the thread above. thank you again <3

I lived in KSA for 11 years so understand your problem. Look for a falcon or bird vet.

Where are you located? You might find someone in the Emirates who might be able
to advise you without seeing the animal. A zoo is another option. I did contact a friend of mine, a research vet who headed a big falcon research facility in Riyadh but he said there was no one. Good luck but it might be too late.

 

[Lsubhi]

You are welcome and the very best of luck to you and your girl.

actually wanted to update you guys, just reached a vet who helped me by phone ..
and he told me to use a baby mouth wash (Miksostat), and it did helped ! the sores are getting smaller and her mouth are getting tight again ! <3
but the swallen head and the eye tissue are still the same, should i drain it by a needle?

 

[Haileybug]

I'd call and ask the vet about that is her coloration still light ? How is she acting is she drinking ? For dehydration give her podia light to drink oringinal pedia light

 

[jajeanpierre]

I'd call and ask the vet about that is her coloration still light ? How is she acting is she drinking ? For dehydration give her podia light to drink oringinal pedia light

Haileybug, you don't have any experience keeping chameleons healthy. Please don't offer advice.

 

[Haileybug]

Haileybug, you don't have any experience keeping chameleons healthy. Please don't offer advice.

Why do you troll on my things mine is perfectly healthy. Thank you

 

[jajeanpierre]

Why do you troll on my things mine is perfectly healthy. Thank you

Trolling is a malicious behavior, and my request you not give advice is not malicious.

You have shown repeatedly you know almost nothing about keeping chameleons even with the pages and pages and pages experienced chameleon keepers have posted here to try to help you get it right. Your inability to absorb the information people have given you shows either you willfully choose to ignore advice or you simply can't learn because of a physical or mental condition. I can't think of any other reason why you can't even learn how to supplement with calcium after all the advice others have given you. There are some that suggest you simply want to create havoc on the forum.

Your latest question about oyster shells had been asked by you before. Aside from the fact you have already asked this very same question before--which begs the question, do you even read the responses to your questions and requests for guidance?--it goes to the very heart of your not getting the husbandry right. Your first chameleon died a horrible death because of a calcium metabolism problem likely directly caused by your not giving her proper UVB lighting and calcium supplements. Those two things, good lighting and calcium, are very basic to successful chameleon keeping. Without them, your chameleons will die a pretty horrible death as you have seen. Your very recent question on calcium tells anyone who has followed your threads that you haven't grasped one of the most important and simplest concepts of successful chameleon keeping.

You recently posted asking for help because your new chameleon was not eating. Not eating is a sign of poor health for one reason or another or poor husbandry. Out of two chameleons that have been in your care, one is dead and suffered horribly when you failed to give it the bare necessities of life. The second, one you've had only a month or so, is now declining.

Your poor success at keeping chameleons healthy or alive means quite simply that you aren't doing it right. If you can't get it right you really have no business giving advice to people in trouble.

When people come on this forum looking for help, they often do not know which members know what they are talking about and who doesn't. It is imperative that the information on this forum be correct or as close to correct as we know at this time. People who can't keep chameleons healthy have no business offering advice to people who have chameleons that are doing poorly unless it is in a specific situation that they know intimately and have some knowledge to share.

If you want to join in on a conversation, I suggest you qualify what you say. You recently made a false statement about Baytril. Instead of presenting your wrong information as fact, you could have posed it as a question and asked if your (wrong) information was correct, something along the lines of, "I have heard that....." That could have been a productive conversation. Your false information would have been corrected, others would have learned something, but most important you wouldn't have passed on patently false information as fact to some unsuspecting novice.

Few chameleon keepers get it right the first time around. Face it, most people find chameleons hard to keep. I don't want to discourage anyone from coming on here asking for help for fear they will be judged because that's just not the case. There are a variety of reasons people end up here with chameleons in dire straits that can be directly attributed to poor care. Often it is simply not realizing all that is involved in successfully keeping chameleons. We really want to help these people to get it right, and we are a pretty dedicated group giving freely of our time and experience.

 

[Haileybug]

Trolling is a malicious behavior, and my request you not give advice is not malicious.

You have shown repeatedly you know almost nothing about keeping chameleons even with the pages and pages and pages experienced chameleon keepers have posted here to try to help you get it right. Your inability to absorb the information people have given you shows either you willfully choose to ignore advice or you simply can't learn because of a physical or mental condition. I can't think of any other reason why you can't even learn how to supplement with calcium after all the advice others have given you. There are some that suggest you simply want to create havoc on the forum.

Your latest question about oyster shells had been asked by you before. Aside from the fact you have already asked this very same question before--which begs the question, do you even read the responses to your questions and requests for guidance?--it goes to the very heart of your not getting the husbandry right. Your first chameleon died a horrible death because of a calcium metabolism problem likely directly caused by your not giving her proper UVB lighting and calcium supplements. Those two things, good lighting and calcium, are very basic to successful chameleon keeping. Without them, your chameleons will die a pretty horrible death as you have seen. Your very recent question on calcium tells anyone who has followed your threads that you haven't grasped one of the most important and simplest concepts of successful chameleon keeping.

You recently posted asking for help because your new chameleon was not eating. Not eating is a sign of poor health for one reason or another or poor husbandry. Out of two chameleons that have been in your care, one is dead and suffered horribly when you failed to give it the bare necessities of life. The second, one you've had only a month or so, is now declining.

Your poor success at keeping chameleons healthy or alive means quite simply that you aren't doing it right. If you can't get it right you really have no business giving advice to people in trouble.

When people come on this forum looking for help, they often do not know which members know what they are talking about and who doesn't. It is imperative that the information on this forum be correct or as close to correct as we know at this time. People who can't keep chameleons healthy have no business offering advice to people who have chameleons that are doing poorly unless it is in a specific situation that they know intimately and have some knowledge to share.

If you want to join in on a conversation, I suggest you qualify what you say. You recently made a false statement about Baytril. Instead of presenting your wrong information as fact, you could have posed it as a question and asked if your (wrong) information was correct, something along the lines of, "I have heard that....." That could have been a productive conversation. Your false information would have been corrected, others would have learned something, but most important you wouldn't have passed on patently false information as fact to some unsuspecting novice.

Few chameleon keepers get it right the first time around. Face it, most people find chameleons hard to keep. I don't want to discourage anyone from coming on here asking for help for fear they will be judged because that's just not the case. There are a variety of reasons people end up here with chameleons in dire straits that can be directly attributed to poor care. Often it is simply not realizing all that is involved in successfully keeping chameleons. We really want to help these people to get it right, and we are a pretty dedicated group giving freely of our time and experience.

Okay so asking questions to make sure I have everything on point is not knowing anything WRONG

 

[jajeanpierre]

Okay so asking questions to make sure I have everything on point is not knowing anything WRONG

I honestly don't understand what you are trying to say above. Can you try to explain what you meant again, please.

 

[Haileybug]

I honestly don't understand what you are trying to say above. Can you try to explain what you meant again, please.

I messaged you

 

[Chameleomom]

I'd call and ask the vet about that is her coloration still light ? How is she acting is she drinking ? For dehydration give her podia light to drink oringinal pedia light

*shakes head* it is called Pedialyte

 

[Haileybug]

*shakes head* it is called Pedialyte

Great

 

[Extensionofgreen]

I'm sorry, but your chameleon appears to have systemic infection throughout its skeletal system.
I'd utilize a bird vet and see if you can get injectable Fortaz (Ceftazadime), though the pictures give a very poor and grim prognosis and euthanasia may be the best option. If it is possible to provide natural sunlight without causing additional stressors, please do so.