Veiled wth Pneumonia need ADVICE PLEASE

Tim's Owner, 35 to 45% humidity is pretty close to a desert. Keeping her on the high range of normal and more humid is appropriate.

To the OP, the temperature drop at night would not cause pneumonia. Sixties are fine at night.

If she is dehydrated, she needs to be hydrated and if you can't get her hydrated, the vet needs to give her subcutaneous fluids. A lot of these meds are really hard on them and stop them from eating and drinking. I just looked at your picture, and I would have her at the vet's for some fluids. Good luck.
Ive taken her to the Vet twice for fluids so far and it helps her for 2 days and then its back to this. I am trying to drip pedialyte in her mouth when she opens it so shes still going to the bathroom but I just dont see any sort of improvement
 
I can't give you any advise over your vet hopefully @ferretinmyshoes can help there. I would just like to point out that your cage needs to dry out in between misting's so therefore it should go up to 70% after misting, then drop down to 45% wile drying out. I'm leaning on your enclosure being too wet being the cause of his repertory issues.
 
I can't give you any advise over your vet hopefully @ferretinmyshoes can help there. I would just like to point out that your cage needs to dry out in between misting's so therefore it should go up to 70% after misting, then drop down to 45% wile drying out. I'm leaning on your enclosure being too wet being the cause of his repertory issues.
Thanks ok its drier now in between. is it ok that I am trying to drop water in her mouth? has anyone heard of them choking on water if they aren't trying to drink and you force water in?
 
Thanks ok its drier now in between. is it ok that I am trying to drop water in her mouth? has anyone heard of them choking on water if they aren't trying to drink and you force water in?
Just make sure you are putting the water towards the back of his mouth. Unlike us he breaths from the front and can aspirate if you go in from the front, and that would only complicate the issue.
 
Did you try messaging ferritinmyshoes...she's a vet and might be able to help you.
Can your chameleon move if she's too hot sitting near the ceramic heater? If she can, then as was said you need to worry about her burning herself...If not you need to be careful that she doesn't overheat because she can't move.
 
She doesn't look good. :( Fortaz is a good broad-spectrum antibiotic that I use quite often (although it's been on backorder for the last 8 months now - making me crazy!) but reptiles get sick very slowly and they heal very slowly. If she has gone several weeks without eating at her age I would consider getting some nutrition into her. One way is to place a stunned cricket (I just kind of squish their head enough that they are stunned but not dead) and place it in her mouth. Ideally she will swallow it once it's in her mouth. The other option is a liquid diet like carnivore care that can be used for short term nutrition. It's ideal if she'll drink it like water (see below on how to safely do that) because otherwise you can to squirt it slowly into the mouth and aspiration is a risk. It takes practice and finesse to be comfortable with it. I would definitely try to get some food in her though. An adult I wouldn't be as worried about not eating for a few weeks but at her age she's not going to be strong enough to fight without nutrients. 2 weeks without visual progress isn't all that unusual in the chameleon world honestly. Hopefully some nutrients will help her turn that corner. The addition of a second antibiotic may increase the coverage for bacteria but unfortunately it may be dually harder on her already weakened body.

When offering water the best way to do it is drip it into her mouth as she's drinking. A lot of chameleons can be stimulated to drink this way when you bring the water to them. This is the safest option because then she is drinking like normal so you really don't have to worry about her aspirating because it's on her terms. If you are squirting it directly into the mouth that's when you have more risks. So what I usually do if they're not wanting to drink is open their mouth to put a drop or two in and then they start licking so I drip it on their nose until they're done licking it up. A shower session may also be beneficial. https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/entry/shower-sessions-for-hydration.732/

Your humidity is fine as long the cage can dry out between mistings so the 70-80% should be the peak and then it should decrease to closer to 50-60%. If there is any standing water that is concerning. If there is any mold or growth under pots or on any cage decor that is very worrisome. Sometimes it happens in the joints of the cage itself. But most of the time if there is good air flow and no standing water this is rarely a problem.

Temperature of 85 is also appropriate and can even go up to 90 to help her immune system fight it off as long as she's not too close to the light and can potentially move away from it if needed. Less than 85 is potentially more harmful as her metabolism will slow and thus her immune system as well. Night temperatures in the 60s should not be a problem at all. In fact a night temperature drop is preferred. So this most likely did not contribute.

So right now I'd focus on keeping her warm safely and trying to get some nutrition and hydration in her while reducing stress as much as possible (even though those are somewhat counter intuitive).
 
She doesn't look good. :( Fortaz is a good broad-spectrum antibiotic that I use quite often (although it's been on backorder for the last 8 months now - making me crazy!) but reptiles get sick very slowly and they heal very slowly. If she has gone several weeks without eating at her age I would consider getting some nutrition into her. One way is to place a stunned cricket (I just kind of squish their head enough that they are stunned but not dead) and place it in her mouth. Ideally she will swallow it once it's in her mouth. The other option is a liquid diet like carnivore care that can be used for short term nutrition. It's ideal if she'll drink it like water (see below on how to safely do that) because otherwise you can to squirt it slowly into the mouth and aspiration is a risk. It takes practice and finesse to be comfortable with it. I would definitely try to get some food in her though. An adult I wouldn't be as worried about not eating for a few weeks but at her age she's not going to be strong enough to fight without nutrients. 2 weeks without visual progress isn't all that unusual in the chameleon world honestly. Hopefully some nutrients will help her turn that corner. The addition of a second antibiotic may increase the coverage for bacteria but unfortunately it may be dually harder on her already weakened body.

When offering water the best way to do it is drip it into her mouth as she's drinking. A lot of chameleons can be stimulated to drink this way when you bring the water to them. This is the safest option because then she is drinking like normal so you really don't have to worry about her aspirating because it's on her terms. If you are squirting it directly into the mouth that's when you have more risks. So what I usually do if they're not wanting to drink is open their mouth to put a drop or two in and then they start licking so I drip it on their nose until they're done licking it up. A shower session may also be beneficial. https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/entry/shower-sessions-for-hydration.732/

Your humidity is fine as long the cage can dry out between mistings so the 70-80% should be the peak and then it should decrease to closer to 50-60%. If there is any standing water that is concerning. If there is any mold or growth under pots or on any cage decor that is very worrisome. Sometimes it happens in the joints of the cage itself. But most of the time if there is good air flow and no standing water this is rarely a problem.

Temperature of 85 is also appropriate and can even go up to 90 to help her immune system fight it off as long as she's not too close to the light and can potentially move away from it if needed. Less than 85 is potentially more harmful as her metabolism will slow and thus her immune system as well. Night temperatures in the 60s should not be a problem at all. In fact a night temperature drop is preferred. So this most likely did not contribute.

So right now I'd focus on keeping her warm safely and trying to get some nutrition and hydration in her while reducing stress as much as possible (even though those are somewhat counter intuitive).

THANK YOU SO MUCH!! it is so uplifting to hear your advice and thoughts. Here is what I can tell you about her. She is moving around, slowly, throughout the day from one side of the cage to the other which I take as a good sign that she can still move. This makes me believe she is okay with the temperature. Thus far I have been dropping little water on her nose which makes her open her mouth and I am able to get some drops in while she opens and closes. I mixed water with pedialyte to try and get electrolytes in there. The food has me concerned because as you said, she hasnt eaten anything. Im nervous she will choke on a stunned cricket because sometimes she acts really strangely just from the water drops and starts wobbling around and moving her neck in strange positions. Knowing this do you still recommend a stunned cricket? I am trying to get her to the vet tomorrow or the next day for more hydration and nutrition shots. I had a situation with my Fortaz where it evaporated out of the syringe while I had it in the freezer which makes me believe she didn't get full doses. Should I ask for more and continue the regiment ?Again, Thank you so much for your help I am so so grateful and so is matcha
 
Thus far I have been dropping little water on her nose which makes her open her mouth and I am able to get some drops in while she opens and closes. I mixed water with pedialyte to try and get electrolytes in there.

That sound perfect! Good job.

Im nervous she will choke on a stunned cricket because sometimes she acts really strangely just from the water drops and starts wobbling around and moving her neck in strange positions. Knowing this do you still recommend a stunned cricket?

Sometimes that motion is her trying to spit it back out. Or potentially gagging on it a little. With a whole cricket she won't be able to inhale it so it either goes down or she spits it out. That's the nice thing about using stunned crickets instead of liquid food sometimes. I have had some lizards just hold the cricket in their mouth for a while but then they either swallow it or spit it out later.

I had a situation with my Fortaz where it evaporated out of the syringe while I had it in the freezer which makes me believe she didn't get full doses. Should I ask for more and continue the regiment ?

This happens not uncommonly. I replace those doses for my clients. Ask your vet about them for sure.
 
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