Verrucosus
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morpheon
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If we'd live closer, i'd have no problem to litterally give you a few eggs Laurie (and Lynda too!). I don't know if you guys do that in the States, but i know that in France some people actually share their eggs (not babies), and give them different temperatures to see what works, and what doesn't, and how it works (ie how many male per female).
And if you don't know what you may have done to help me Laurie, you definately should think about what you sent me a few weeks ago, for example! If any babies ever hatch, it will directly be because of you!
And if you don't know what you may have done to help me Laurie, you definately should think about what you sent me a few weeks ago, for example! If any babies ever hatch, it will directly be because of you!
robertc
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I do not quite agree that verrucosus "are easier than other chameleons". Well, they are pretty tough concerning dehydratation and low temperatures, but they require cold winters, night temperatures over 20 degrees Celsius kill them.
I do not know whether someone has already suggested incubation temperatures here. So, after three or four years of breeding I had the best results with 25 degrees first two months, than 15 for the next two months and then continuously increasing back to 25.
I do not know whether someone has already suggested incubation temperatures here. So, after three or four years of breeding I had the best results with 25 degrees first two months, than 15 for the next two months and then continuously increasing back to 25.
Cainschams
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She is absolutely beautiful!!! Hope you have much success with breeding!
Hope you have much success with breeding!
morpheon
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@Robert: You are free to believe in what you want SIR! Your opinion is always welcome, even if i still believe that verrucosus are easier and stronger than some chameleons. About the incubation temperature, i have read similar temperatures, but not the same exactly. How many clutch of verrucosus you had in the past?
@Jared: Thank you very much! Whenever i'll get some eggs, and later some hatchlings you will hear me scream from Quebec, Canada! And you should be able to see tons of baby pictures as well!!
Your opinion is always welcome, even if i still believe that verrucosus are easier and stronger than some chameleons. About the incubation temperature, i have read similar temperatures, but not the same exactly. How many clutch of verrucosus you had in the past?@Jared: Thank you very much!
Whenever i'll get some eggs, and later some hatchlings you will hear me scream from Quebec, Canada! And you should be able to see tons of baby pictures as well!! 
robertc
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Morpholeon, I have started with verrucosus in 2006, and according to the fact that they are very bad sellers in Europe I several times happend to have about 15 animals older than 6 months at home. Therefore it sounds a bit funny to me when you, with 6-months experience with a pair, tell me that "I can believe in what I want" but the truth is different.
I do not remember the number of cluthes, something between 4 and 6.
You do not need to follow my temperatures (though your "written information" may have been suggested by someone with an one-clutch-experience). For example, it is also possible to incubate at constant 24 degrees, the incubation lasts 14 months (my method lasts 7.5) and the babies are very small and most of them are girls (I happend to have girls only with this method).
Maybe I should add some more general information. I think that there are about five people in the Czech Republic with a breeding success. All but me and another one have stopped keeping or at least breeding verrucosus after they could not sell the very first clutch (in fact I had my last this year, I am also going to quit with this species). Concerning two breeders I am in contact with, if I remember it well, none of their males survived the second winter.
Kiniongia, it is not difficult to raise the babies, they have similar requirement as panters. It is not over 95%
The recordman is a male of mine who started his forth winter now, anyway, I believe that it is not because of my conditions but because I am lucky to have an extremely hard animal.
Kinionga, it is not difficult to raise babies. I think that they are even easier then panters (in my case 95% vs. 90% of those hatched survived). They grow extremely quickly, increase of 10cm of the total length in their third month. This may be related with their winter requirements, they live very intensively in summer.
I do not remember the number of cluthes, something between 4 and 6.
You do not need to follow my temperatures (though your "written information" may have been suggested by someone with an one-clutch-experience). For example, it is also possible to incubate at constant 24 degrees, the incubation lasts 14 months (my method lasts 7.5) and the babies are very small and most of them are girls (I happend to have girls only with this method).
Maybe I should add some more general information. I think that there are about five people in the Czech Republic with a breeding success. All but me and another one have stopped keeping or at least breeding verrucosus after they could not sell the very first clutch (in fact I had my last this year, I am also going to quit with this species). Concerning two breeders I am in contact with, if I remember it well, none of their males survived the second winter.
Kiniongia, it is not difficult to raise the babies, they have similar requirement as panters. It is not over 95%
The recordman is a male of mine who started his forth winter now, anyway, I believe that it is not because of my conditions but because I am lucky to have an extremely hard animal.
Kinionga, it is not difficult to raise babies. I think that they are even easier then panters (in my case 95% vs. 90% of those hatched survived). They grow extremely quickly, increase of 10cm of the total length in their third month. This may be related with their winter requirements, they live very intensively in summer.
robertc
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Well, the females had problems two. In fact the only "high temperatures survivor" was the "wife" of the first male who died of high temperatures (but she was somehow weak in spring).
The strange thing is, that on one hand CB verrucosus are bad sellers (at price between EUR40 and 60), but many companies offer WC animals at EUR100 and thy usually sell them. When I offered my babies I was usually contacted by one or two people a month (and they were mostly interested in males).
My statistics is aproximatelly the following:
2006 my first pair breeded twice with result of three clutches (the third occured after the male's death and there were only 2 or three fertil eggs).
2007 Since I was told by a more experienced keeper that he had incubation success about 20%, I did some "trials" resulting terrible three babies (girls).
I sold two, the third was left for my new male (fortunatelly, because he was not interested the "old" female when he grew up)
2008 one of the two eggs from the last cluth incubated after 14 months. The baby was a female who did not grow much.
My new male mated with the young female, 30 fertil eggs. Unfortunatelly, there were very hot temperetures at the beginning of the summer and I lost both my adult femalles when I was on a vacation. So I was left with the male, eggs and the baby female.
2009 15-20 babies, mostly males, all of them grew up. I sold all but 2, one was intended as the new breeding male, the second injured himself and died just before being sold. Finally I lost also the first one of some breathing desease.
The old male mated with the "small" female. She had two clutches, then she died (I guess the problem was that she was always tending to have 40 eggs though being very small). The second clutch was infertile, the first was fertile but she layed half of it first (almost all of the eggs incubated), the second half after a week and none of these eggs incubated.
2010 15 babies, 14 of them grew into the "selling" size and were sold out. Only the old male is left.
The strange thing is, that on one hand CB verrucosus are bad sellers (at price between EUR40 and 60), but many companies offer WC animals at EUR100 and thy usually sell them. When I offered my babies I was usually contacted by one or two people a month (and they were mostly interested in males).
My statistics is aproximatelly the following:
2006 my first pair breeded twice with result of three clutches (the third occured after the male's death and there were only 2 or three fertil eggs).
2007 Since I was told by a more experienced keeper that he had incubation success about 20%, I did some "trials" resulting terrible three babies (girls).
I sold two, the third was left for my new male (fortunatelly, because he was not interested the "old" female when he grew up)
2008 one of the two eggs from the last cluth incubated after 14 months. The baby was a female who did not grow much.
My new male mated with the young female, 30 fertil eggs. Unfortunatelly, there were very hot temperetures at the beginning of the summer and I lost both my adult femalles when I was on a vacation. So I was left with the male, eggs and the baby female.
2009 15-20 babies, mostly males, all of them grew up. I sold all but 2, one was intended as the new breeding male, the second injured himself and died just before being sold. Finally I lost also the first one of some breathing desease.
The old male mated with the "small" female. She had two clutches, then she died (I guess the problem was that she was always tending to have 40 eggs though being very small). The second clutch was infertile, the first was fertile but she layed half of it first (almost all of the eggs incubated), the second half after a week and none of these eggs incubated.
2010 15 babies, 14 of them grew into the "selling" size and were sold out. Only the old male is left.
Thanks for the information!
I haven't had many of them and I never had a male and female at the same time long enough to breed them unfortunately.
The length of (7.5) months of incubation sounds alright (but maybe a little short) from the limited information that I have been able to find about them....but none of the information I read said that it was an incubation at a constant temperature or whether the temperatures fluctuated. I read that the incubation should be done for 45 days at 24C then 40 days at 10-15C then at 27.5C until they hatch at about 9 months....but since I haven't done this I don't know if its right.
Also...the temperature in the winter that I read about said 20C during the day and 15F at night.
I haven't had many of them and I never had a male and female at the same time long enough to breed them unfortunately.
The length of (7.5) months of incubation sounds alright (but maybe a little short) from the limited information that I have been able to find about them....but none of the information I read said that it was an incubation at a constant temperature or whether the temperatures fluctuated. I read that the incubation should be done for 45 days at 24C then 40 days at 10-15C then at 27.5C until they hatch at about 9 months....but since I haven't done this I don't know if its right.
Also...the temperature in the winter that I read about said 20C during the day and 15F at night.
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