Vieled moprhs?

[siz]

Originally Posted by Fate X
where do these tranlucents and the spotted morphs originate from ?
i think someone said they hatched one but the parents must have had the genetics ,maybe they were from a lab somewhere being experimented on for their genetics ability to change colors ,camflage etc. and these were just one of maybe 10,000's of experiments and they decided to give one to a cham breeder who is connected .theres probably a dozen different true morphs from labs.

HAHAHAHAHAHA excellent!

I like morphs when it comes to some reptiles (ie ball pythons, cresties, beardies etc) but chameleons are so beautiful nartually why try to create morphs? They already have a gorgeous range of colours..I guess I just don't understand why you would screw around with that and line breed and potentially cause health problems to 'enhance' an already astounding creature..
Although some of them are kind of neat looking

 

[reyesjoshuacruz]

hes doing right by these morphs, hasnt sold a single one, and is it trying to manage the line with no interbreeding, a couple clutches cookin.....even has a clutch of his morph x trans

 

[Sancho]

I don't like them they look like they are burned or something. Kinda reminds me of when a veiled dies they turn black like that around the eyes and etc.

 

[chameleon guy]

i think they are cool. Also there is probably a reason this thread is old, read the other pages.

 

[Reptilezoo]

Thanks for all the replies. They are all doing really well. I am not interbreeding and testing to see if the gene is dominant with normal chams. I also have some hyper x trans eggs in the incubator. A couple of months left till they hatch.

Luke

 

[Sticky Tongue]

Can someone post a link to the translucents? I've never seen them before. And Luke, are you planning on breeding these and selling them, or just seeing what results you come up with?

 

[chameleon guy]

Thanks for all the replies. They are all doing really well. I am not interbreeding and testing to see if the gene is dominant with normal chams. I also have some hyper x trans eggs in the incubator. A couple of months left till they hatch.

Luke

do you have any more morphs? how much?

 

[Woodinville]

Morphs

Hi...I used to know this guy who bred all types of corn snakes, and other species that I can't recall. He used to produce some of the most incredible morphs and amazing colors. I think you should keep doing what you're doing, and perhaps eventually you will be able to come up with something really spectacular. Just because the spots and blotches are black now, doesn't mean that they will remain that color as you continue to breed them. Perhaps by line breeding, and tracking the genetics, some other colors will surface that will replace the black blotches. I say go for it.

 

[chequepoint]

Hi...I used to know this guy who bred all types of corn snakes, and other species that I can't recall. He used to produce some of the most incredible morphs and amazing colors. I think you should keep doing what you're doing, and perhaps eventually you will be able to come up with something really spectacular. Just because the spots and blotches are black now, doesn't mean that they will remain that color as you continue to breed them. Perhaps by line breeding, and tracking the genetics, some other colors will surface that will replace the black blotches. I say go for it.

Was he a nascar fan? I have a theory that involves corn snake genetic breakthroughs occurring more frequently in the vicinity of nascar fans.. Here's hoping the chameleon market can resist trailer park genetic engineering. BTW, 10 points for the thread resurrection! Released by a secret government research facility!!! priceless

 

[jojackson]

so far, the translucents don't seem to be having any health issues because of their skin defects. However, that does not mean they won't develop them later.

Are you thinking skin cancers from Uv? Just curious. Personally I think playing with genetics in such a way as to create animals that may have health issues is not a good thing despite them being captive. To me this akin to careless or deliberate breeding of dogs like dashounds for example prone to spinal issues, or shepards prone to hip displatia. Just plain cruel.

While most tinkering with reptiles simply creates odd patterns/colors and is harmless egotripping, lately theres been more 'frankensteinian' tinkering, for example, scaleless deathadders. This is far from natural by any stretch of imagination, they are plain ugly,
and while captives may do well, I just dont agree with it.

The world is populated with some stunning and amazingly beautiful reptiles, and I prefer
natures offerings to some expensive freak. Just my 2c.

 

[Reptilezoo]

These chams have had no health problems, and if they had then I wouldn't tamper with them and not breed them at all. I accept your opinion your views, however, since they are very healthy I see no reason to not research their genetics.

 

[ciafardo 4]

These chams have had no health problems, and if they had then I wouldn't tamper with them and not breed them at all. I accept your opinion your views, however, since they are very healthy I see no reason to not research their genetics.

hey i really like what you're doing maybe one day you would have a completely black animal and on the same token a completely translucent animal now that would be something!KNOWING how long egg incubation is and the time it takes for these animals to get to a breeding age you have quite a bit of time invested here please keep this work up i believe what you are doing is ground breaking!

 

[jojackson]

hey i really like what you're doing maybe one day you would have a completely black animal and on the same token a completely translucent animal now that would be something!

Yes it would be something indeed, unnatural. Consider a totaly black cham, how well does cool down on a hot day? How does it display receptivity, or non receptivity, alarm,
how does it hide being diurnal (black will stick out) same applys to a reptile with translucent skin. Its being obvious dosent matter in captivity but it cant behave (display) as nature intended.
If it cant display what issues will have trying to mate?
Messing with a chameleon is just vanity, and in my opinion, rude. Just because you can, dosent mean you should!

Remember Jurassic park Dude!

 

[reyesjoshuacruz]

Yes it would be something indeed, unnatural. Consider a totaly black cham, how well does cool down on a hot day? How does it display receptivity, or non receptivity, alarm,
how does it hide being diurnal (black will stick out) same applys to a reptile with translucent skin. Its being obvious dosent matter in captivity but it cant behave (display) as nature intended.
If it cant display what issues will have trying to mate?
Messing with a chameleon is just vanity, and in my opinion, rude. Just because you can, dosent mean you should!

Remember Jurassic park Dude!

I hate missing things, esp when they are so important........can someone please show me where he said that the black spots never change colors.....cause right now i just feel like im crazy not being able to find where he said that


also, things like this happen all the time, we are very lucky HE is the one that came across them, he is sending pics and sharing some info and doing research.

most others wouldnt have even said anything untill they were ready for market and done no research.

keep up the good work, cant wait to see what the hyper x trans show up like.

Sorry i havent gotten to reply back to you on what we were talking about some time ago, i got locked out of my forum account and now have a baby

 

[jojackson]

I hate missing things, esp when they are so important........can someone please show me where he said that the black spots never change colors.....cause right now i just feel like im crazy not being able to find where he said that

I was referring to the idea of..

a completely black animal

I beleive chams change color by altering the nature of some melanophore cells at different levels in the skin so that light reflects accordingly , the different wavelengths, blending to acheive a color change. If the outer dermal layer is pigmented black, I fail to see how light could reflect pigment, or lack of it beneath to project visible color change. I may be wrong, but solid black would tend to proclude lighter colors beneath and obvious patterning.

The transparent skin of a chameleon has four layers which work together to produce various colors. The outside layer has two kinds of color cells, yellow and red. Just inside this layer are two more layers that reflect light: one blue and the other white. The innermost layer — important and complicated — contains pigment granules (melanophore cells).

The melanophores have a dark brown pigment called melanin, the same substance that colors human skin brown or black. The main body of each melanophore sits like a brooding octopus beneath the reflecting layers and sends tentacle-like arms up through the other layers.

The color cells alter size, which changes the amounts of red, yellow, and dark brown in the skin and this, in turn, alters skin color. The reflecting layers modify these effects. Where the skin has a blue layer under yellow cells, the blue reflects through the yellow and changes it to green. Where the blue layer is missing, white shines though and enhances the yellow and red above.

The skin brightens when the cells pull the dark melanin from their tentacle-like arms into their bodies. The skin darkens when the cells spread the dark pigment through their arms into the upper layers of the skin. The brownish black color then obscures the white layer, darkening the skin like a black cloud darkens the land.

http://www.wonderquest.com/Chameleons.htm

 

[Reptilezoo]

Sorry i havent gotten to reply back to you on what we were talking about some time ago, i got locked out of my forum account and now have a baby

Hi,
No worries and congrats on the baby. Your advice was very much appreciated.
I've been having problems with the normal female yemen attacking my males. One of my hyper males had wounded two of his feet and became infected and so half of each foot had to be surgically removed. So, I replaced him with another male, whom a couple of weeks later had the same problem with one foot. Later that day I saw the female try and eat that foot causing more bleeding. She is the culprit! So he is undergoing treatment whilst she has been seperated. I have more normal x hyper eggs which she laid a couple of weeks ago.
I have sold my first hyper a couple of months ago to a very nice couple who specialise in bearded dragons (leatherbacks etc). I sold them a male for which I had no more room for.

Thanks again for your help

Luke

 

[jojothefirst]

I might be missing the point but 1 of the main reasons I like chameleons is because of there colour, black, to me, just doesnt look right.
If I seen one of them next to a normal veiled for the first time I would def be more interested in the normal 1!

 

[Sang]

i never really thought as a vieled being colorful. the idea that a panther is colorful is a different story.

a vieleds range is what, yellow/green/brown and black turq and blues...*ok so they got some range*

but i think the black patching is pretty cool.

 

[jojothefirst]

i never really thought as a vieled being colorful. the idea that a panther is colorful is a different story.

a vieleds range is what, yellow/green/brown and black turq and blues...*ok so they got some range*

but i think the black patching is pretty cool.

Huh? How can you name all those colours yet say there not colourfull. Each to there own i spose!

 

[chameleonneeds]

I was trying to keep my mouth shut, but Tyler forced me to speak

I don't like them and would not consider keeping one. I don't find them interesting or attractive. My opinion is very similar to that of the translucents. Nothing personal against you Reptilezoo.

I disagree Brad a Chameleon is a Chameleon to me beautiful in its own way, I would love to own any cham I love them Im not picky unless its a health matter.

Very nice reptilezoo.