What am I doing wrong?

wish22

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I have been a reptile owner for more than half my life and have typically had healthy, happy reptiles. However, I cannot seem to successfully keep a chameleon and I don't know what I am doing wrong! I have done lots of research and know am I have the proper screen enclosure set up, temps, humidity, gut-loaded food, UVA and UVB lighting but my chameleons keep dying. The only common denominator is me! I'm hoping if I list what has been happening, perhaps someone can offer some insight?

Cham #1, Verde: female Senegal, purchased Jan. 2013 from a reptile show, nearly 2 hours from my home. Although she seemed active and was eating, I found her lying dead on the floor of her enclosure 4 days after her purchase. I assumed the cold/stress of the show/travel had been too much for her.

Cham #2: (didn't name): female Veiled, purchased April, 2013 from the same reptile show. Went to a different vendor and discussed Verde. The vendor assured me Senegal chameleons are not very hardy and the Veiled would do much better. Yet she too, despite seeming healthy and active, was also dead on the floor of the enclosure on the 4th day. I vowed never to buy from a trade show again and felt it was too stressful for the chams.

Cham #3: Oscar: male veiled, bought 12/27/13 from a PetCo in CT. Thankfully, Oscar did well, grew, shed, was a hearty eater, drank openly from his misted leaves and was very active. In February, I noticed him grabbing at his limbs and shaking at times. Having had iguanas with MBD, I got a stronger UVB light, stronger calcium powder, changed brands of calcium food for his crickets. Within a few weeks, the shaking stopped, but he was still grabbing at times. Then one of our cats unfortunately knocked Oscar's enclosure over and he broke all his limbs. We took him to two different vets, where they gave him shots and gave us liquid calcium, vitamins and meds to help him heal. We had to adjust his enclosure so he couldn't climb and still have gradient heat, and he did well crawling and was still eating and pooping over the next few weeks. He then stopped being able to hunt his food and I had to hand feed him a liquid mixture the Vet recommended. He held on for three weeks, and finally passed in his sleep on 3/27/14, three months after we got him. :(

Cham #4: Clover: female veiled. Bought 3/30/14. Although I didn't plan to get a successor for Oscar so quickly, I fell in love with this beautiful cham while at PetCo getting crickets for my other lizards. She looked rather skinny to me, but I attributed it to her being housed with another cham who was perhaps more dominant. Clover was much shier than Oscar and would not eat if I was watching, but her crickets would disappear quickly and she was pooping normally. Likewise, I never saw her drink. She was still skinny, but was noticeably growing. However, on 4/23, I found her on the bottom of the enclosure, just as I had with my two trade show chams. Like them, there was no obvious cause for why she died so suddenly. I examined her closely and saw nothing strange. Of course, PetCo only has a 14 day warranty, 10 days less than what I had her for.

What could I possibly be doing wrong?! Oscar obviously had MBD, but hopefully would have recovered had it not been for the cat. :( But what is going on with the others? I am perplexed and at this point, will not be getting another chameleon until I can have some confidence that I am not unwittingly killing these beautiful critters. Looking forward to hopefully getting some insight from the forum, as your chams are obviously surviving and thriving...thanks for whatever help you can give.
 
Can you fill out the info below so we can help.
I know you had more than one pass but there must be a common problem.
Sometimes it can be as simple as they are eating a poisonous plant.




Chameleon Info:

Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care?
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon?
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders?
Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule?
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking?
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites?
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you.


Cage Info:

Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions?
Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule?
Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps?
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity?
Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind?
Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor?
Location - Where are you geographically located?
 
without knowing what conditions you provide a shot in the dark guess why..

Assuming the first ones where at least "healthy" at first.. then what happened in your care may matter.. or if all ok, may have not been a factor..

As for the one smaller skinny.. well the guess.. just out competed.. may not have been the cause.. that one may really already been a problem..


As the previous poster mention please give us a idea.. on the "how to ask for help" form to give a idea on what you may have been doing and if a factor.. as you did ask..

Having previous reptiles is a good starting point.. but as the needs of each animal varies.. what is ok is no always ok with others.. nothing personal.. heck IF I had only owned pigmy chams for example.. got a veild and was having problems.. such things like proper UVB, no substrate, no keeping more than one in a chage would be a surprise.. and that is within.. CHAMS not other repiles.. same with temps with montane species.. ect.. so no fault but even experience with one species among chams, does not always = success with a different species.. let alone experience with other reptiles..
 
just curious off the top.. did you provide a Laying bin on the females??

The male, heck was a concern before...the cat situation is a curve ball.. but as all females dead at the bottom of a cage.. Laying bin comes to mind!
 
No, I did not provide an egg bin...although I did find Clover walking around the bottom of the enclosure one day last week, which I found odd. I thought she may have just been trying to find crickets. In fact, when I purchased her at PetCo, she was walking around the bottom of their enclosure too, but quickly scampered up a vine when the cage was open. Could they have all laid eggs that soon after purchase at young ages? I am making a chart that I will post shortly with the info from the questions to make it easier to follow and see all info on each cham in that format and will include pics of each cham with the enclosure.
 
With such quick declines I doubt much if any of the reason for their deaths is your fault. The senegal was with 100% certainty wild caught and acclimating fresh WC chameleons is difficult for anyone. The baby veiled dying after just a few days tells me that he wasn't in good shape to begin with, probably. Sometimes at these shows the people selling chameleons aren't the same people that bred them, so they just purchase a bunch of too-small babies at wholesale and resell them qucikly, and sometimes the stress of everything is too much. And then with your Petco female, it's possible that any number of things were wrong with her from how that store cares for their chameleons (as you saw with your male.)

We'll look over your husbandry and see what is going on there, but I think it has more to do with where you're getting your chameleons from than how you're caring for them. A healthy individual is unlikely to spiral the drain in one or two dozen days. If you get another one I highly recommend looking at a good, reputable breeder and even consider having one shipped to you from a good breeder. Someone who is selling healthy, hearty 3 month old babies with 30 day guarantees, for example, and cares about customer service.
 
It kind of sounds to me like you just need to buy chameleons from better sources.
Sounding like a broken record, It seems like they may have been in poor shape to start with. A trade show probably doesn't keep the best care of their animals or provide suitable living conditions and PetCo isn't much better when it comes to chameleons. Most of the time they're ill-equipped to house the chameleons, and the staff are almost never trained on proper care.

If you do plan on giving it another try, I recommend buying from a reputable breeder like the sponsors on this site. You may pay a little extra, but the chameleon you get will have been raised with care and born from spectacular parents. Money well spent if you ask me.


EDIT: I just read the post above mine after i replied. sorry for almost directly quoting you, Olimpia haha.
 
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I would have to agree with the others, the source of your purchases is most likely the problem. I think trade shows and pet stores put out the lizard equivalent of a puppy mill. They more than likely breed for quantity rather than quality. I purchased my panther from The Panther Company. He was shipped overnight and to be honest even with shipping the price was quite reasonable. They communicated with me through the whole process and I had a tracking number to follow his progress across country. It certainly would not do any harm for you to post your husbandry practices but for them to die so quickly makes me think they were ill to begin with.
I speak with some experience in improper husbandry. My first chameleon died from complications due to MBD. I was giving him calcium but not correctly as I was listening to the advice from the pet store (and it was not a big chain store either). Anyway my guy hung on for a year and a half before his symptoms became obvious something was wrong and he lasted for three more weeks after I had started treatment for his MBD.
 
dying chams

I am a beginner, but the first thing that came to my mind was: Did you wash/disinfect your enclosures in between your purchases? Maybe there was some kind of bacteria that invaded your enclosure. Just a thought.
 
First thing I wondered about was if the cage had been disinfected.

How old were the second, third and 4th when you got them?
 
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