JackRipper
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I thought I was replying to a pm. I wouldn't mind further discussing this with you in private
What does he not like?
- Thread starter Kleynie
- Start date
Kristen Wilkins
Chameleon Enthusiast
This is to hot this will cook a panther of this age . Please stop recommending in this post !!!!!!!!!!.
Lennoncham
Chameleon Enthusiast
just to add some proof.
Bottom of cage 63.4 f
Lennon in his favourite sleeping spot 12 inches off bottom of cage. About 70 f
Top of cage on plants. 75f
Baking spot about 85
Ambient AIR temp in the room
JackRipper
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That info was copied and pasted from another thread and is an example of how info compared to
Baby/juvenile (<9 months): ambient 72-80F (22-26C), basking 82F (28C)
Adult males: ambient 75-80F (23-26C), basking 85-90F (29-32C)
Adult females: ambient 75-80F (23-26C), basking 80-85F (26-29C)-- varies from breeder to breeder. I think its important to explore all available information to find a middle ground for your specific requirements. The OP in this thread lives in a colder climate or has the A/C set to low so to make up for the lower ambient or room temp of 64° it may very well be necessary to up the wattage on the basking lite. If he lived in a hot arid climate he may not require a basking lamp altho I always recommend atleast the very minimum just incase. And if the minimum wattage is creating too much heat then direct the heat from top to the side of the cage or an alternate means of climate control may be required
JackRipper
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That's great. Now that's how we work as a team
Kristen Wilkins
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That in a cold climate is unnecessary/ harmful , likely further confusing op . I will not reply to anything you further quote me in to insure this thread stays on track . Best of luck to op .
Lennoncham
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don’t worry they are getting the info they need.
@Kleynie ...here's a site that tells the temperatures in areas that Panther chameleons come from...scan down until you find the ones for the area your chameleon comes from. This should give you an idea of what the basking temperature should be...
https://www.climatestotravel.com/climate/madagascar
https://www.climatestotravel.com/climate/madagascar
Lennoncham
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so I just looked up the 2 other threads that those temps were mentioned in and if you would of read the next post in each of them they were basically the same as mine asking where you got that info from because it is wrong. This is why it is important to do research before giving people bad advice.
JackRipper
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I'm glad we bought it to light. There is so much misinformation out there I see it every day. I traced this info to a reptile magazine smh they were off by 5° which may not seem to be a big deal but .. it can be.
Lennoncham
Chameleon Enthusiast
Exactly. This is why you need to figure this stuff out before sharing it with someone looking for help because it can mean life or death to their chameleon.
JackRipper
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The second file I shared was more accurate based on common husbandry. Question- in a large tall screen enclosure would a basking area of 100° at 8" away be safe? Maybe not recommended but safe if the bottom of the enclosure was in the lower 60s? And the middle in the 70s? Or is it always unsafe do to the screen heating up and burning the feet of a cham if climbing upside down? Cause that would make sense to me.
Lennoncham
Chameleon Enthusiast
it’s not just a risk to burning their feet when climbing on the top screen. They can burn their spines and sides and head etc. They don’t know to move when they are to hot they will sit their with their mouth open venting hot air.
When you have a focused heat source in a reflected dome fixture it is pointing most of that heat straight down ontop of them. What ever you reading is on the basking branch it is hotter where the chameleon actualy sits an inch and half or so above that.
go stick you hand under a 100f light for 10 mins and see if it doesn’t burn your hand. We have seen way to many chameleons on here with sever burns and we don’t want to give advice that can lead to more.
GoodKarma19
Chameleon Enthusiast
If an area the cham has access to is 100F, it's always unsafe. Chams don't "feel" heat the same way we do, and will continue to bask until their internal temperatures reach a point regardless of whether they're being cooked on the outside. This is why thermal burns are so common.
(Everything @Lennoncham said, cause I'm a slow texter
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Kristen Wilkins
Chameleon Enthusiast
I rehabbed a girl with such burns , the basking was no where close to 100f . It’s months of painful rehab .
JoXie411
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This is what will happen if you allow a cham to 100+f temps
she lost her back spikes because of the thermal burn
I didn’t do this to her I rehabbed her
Lennoncham
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that poor girl. Looks like she never missed a meal either.
JoXie411
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I blame the mealworms she was feed previously lol that’s why she’s my fat cow. Learned a lot on how bad husbandry can effect a chameleon Through her
JackRipper
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I just checkeda few of my males screen top under the lamp above the highest basking perch and my old vieleds who has the-warmest was only 90°
Poor sweet girl. I'm glad your spoiling her she looks happy.
Kristen Wilkins
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This is clelia . Her keeper was an excellent keeper , Added a branch that was a tad to high . Clelia’s basking was with in range of temps but she was to close to the light . You can imagine one well out of range .
These thermal burns ran well down her spin , her Head and one arm . She has scaring as Imelda does , has lost a big portion of her spikes .
These thermal burns ran well down her spin , her Head and one arm . She has scaring as Imelda does , has lost a big portion of her spikes .
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