What happened to Bloodline Database?

[mrvoodoo]

My wife and I have been looking to expand our chameleon family and have been trying to compile as much information as we can on the breeds we want and the various breeders. We absolutely love Chuck's Superman and some of the Nosy Faly's out there, but still digging my nose into all the information I can get before we make any investments (that and with christmas coming soon and two kids to provide for - it's a little tight until after the first of the year).

One of the things I've looked at and was really curious about was:
"The Captive Chameleon Bloodline Tracking Database (CCBTD) is an online breeder’s database designed to manage captive breeding efforts, prevent inbreeding and unintentional hybridization and allow buyers to view breeder records and information to improve buyer awareness and the breeder’s ability to manage and communicate about their breeding stock." (quote from http://www.chameleonidae.com)

As my wife and I are fairly knowledgeable about dog breeding and akc/ckc registrations - we thought this would be a very good resource, but every time I try to go to http://chameleondatabase.com it's down. Is this because the site couldn't afford to stay running, or is it being updated, or is it that the amount of work was overwhelming?

I'd love to explore any type of information like this that's available. One of my fears is purchasing from two seperate breeders and ending up with "kissing cousins."

 

[CleanLineChameleons]

Jason,

The CCBTD was a great way to track bloodlines from all breeders. I believe it is down now because not enough breeders really kept up with it, no one updated bloodlines and kept things up-to-date. I would love to see it come back but I don't know if there is any hope for it. Maybe Anderson can tell us a bit more.

-chris

 

[mrvoodoo]

That's a shame - I think all of us would have loved to have that database available. I could imagine how difficult it would be to track, but I'd be more willing to buy from a breeder who fully participated in that than an average joe who didn't

 

[Chris Anderson]

Jason,

Unfortunately Jason Descamps and I pulled the CCBTD down due to a lack of use. We got a lot of positive feedback from individuals and breeders and a lot of people/breeders who said they would like to use it but when push came to shove, next to no one followed through. It still comes up every once in a while how nice it would be to have something like that but unfortunately there is just a general lack of overall enthusiasm from the chameleon community as a whole about actually participating in such a project.

Chris

 

[mrvoodoo]

Do you think a simple wiki-type of database would help with this? Something where it would be fairly easy for the breeder to enter their information and for the future owner to browse.

I'm not sure the structure on the database that was there before, but I do completely understand the workload/pay-off issues. It's hard to keep working on something that is a "nicety" when the interest in using it isn't as strong as the desire just to have it.

 

[jernlee]

I have a site for project managment and have loaded 295 different users on it. Their bosses gave me their names and i set them up to use it. He thinks it wonderful and loves it and they say they do too. But know one knows that I have a page checking the useage and not 5 people have ever loged on. Thats a problem for me, because I am doing this as a favor to a large company trded on the stock market and no one is usinb it.
what a shame

 

[TylerStewart]

Few points:

It needed to be incorporated into something like ChameleonForums.com.... If it was part of this or another commonly used site, people would be there anyways, and not hesitate to update their animals or babies.

Second, many people, especially veiled chameleon owners, don't have exact lineage of their animals. Since so many of them are from small breeders, and are sold 2nd, 3rd or 4th hand (through stores etc) by the time they find their permanent home.

Third, many breeders don't particularly want people to know their exact animals and sources for many reasons, good and bad. I personally have recieved animals from sources I'm not particularly proud of, and wouldn't want to put that type of information in there. Other people would rather sell great grandkids of something, and call it something else (selling it based on "bloodline," not sire/dam), and having a blueprint of their bloodlines would limit their ability to exaggerate their lineage (where'd these F7's come from???).