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Fiona's Mom
Chameleon Enthusiast
There is no way she can be getting better this soon with the condition she is in. I don't know what that is but it does not look good...Get her to a qualified VET. PLEASE!!!!!!
Lathis
Chameleon Enthusiast
It takes weeks and months to recover from MBD. Your poor little girl is in very, very poor shape. You should take her and that both to the vet. No blood, but maybe it is poorly calcified eggs or follicles expelled too early. I hate to say it, but I think it's time to put her down for her own good 
Craigwyatt
Avid Member
Is she even able to eat on her own. She looks extremely bad. By the looks of her I'm suprised she's even alive. I'm sorry but I have to agree with the above poster. It's time to say your goodbyes and put her down. That's no kind of way to live. She's prob never going to get better and will just suffer intensely until she finally dies. I don't even think a vet can bring her back. She looks too far gone. Once they cross a certain line all hope is lost. Looks like she crossed that line a while ago I'm sorry to say.
jajeanpierre
Chameleon Enthusiast
What is this?
That is a picture of abject cruelty combined with willful blindness or maybe willful ignorance.
She cannot be getting better in a day. You don't seem to understand that she probably won't recover even with the best medical care available and no expense spared. This just might not be fixable. Even with the best medical care--and she definitely is not getting that--she might very well be doomed to a lingering and very painful death.
In a previous thread you suggested you had two alternatives to try to help her or to allow her to die a painful death. There is a third alternative , euthanasia, which you have blissfully ignored.
That is a picture of abject cruelty combined with willful blindness or maybe willful ignorance.
She cannot be getting better in a day. You don't seem to understand that she probably won't recover even with the best medical care available and no expense spared. This just might not be fixable. Even with the best medical care--and she definitely is not getting that--she might very well be doomed to a lingering and very painful death.
In a previous thread you suggested you had two alternatives to try to help her or to allow her to die a painful death. There is a third alternative , euthanasia, which you have blissfully ignored.
Chameleon Mike
Chameleon Enthusiast
It's always hard to put down an animal you love but you have to do what is best for her. It's your responsibility as an owner. She is going to continue to suffer until you do the right thing.
jajeanpierre
Chameleon Enthusiast
@Haileybug It is hard to make these decisions. I am sure it is even harder to make this decision if you feel you are in some way responsible for her condition. She didn't have the right lights and she didn't get any calcium and Vitamin D, so your husbandry definitely contributed. I can imagine that if I felt my care had resulted in an animal in the condition of yours, I would feel a lot of guilt and feel very strongly that I needed to fix it and make her whole again. I know that's how I would feel. I know that if I decided to euthanize for a condition I felt I had caused, it would cut me to the core that I had let one of my animals down, and there would be no way to make amends and fix it. It would be final. By continuing to treat, you are avoiding coming to terms with your guilt and your role in this. I understand that.
I want you to understand that it is very possible that the care her mother received before she laid the egg your chameleon hatched out of and the care your chameleon received by the breeder and the pet shop before you ever bought her might very well be the root cause of her MBD. It is possible that she might have developed MBD in my care.
It doesn't matter to the chameleon who caused this, only that she's a mess and suffering.
I'm very sorry you are having to go through this.
I'm not sure if I have ever had exactly what I would want to say put so perfectly. Please read this a few times and think of the chameleon. I am sorry that your girl is doing so poorly, and I'm not a vet, but I feel it would be best for her to allow her suffering to end. This will not (in my opinion) get better. I also am sorry you are faced with this decision.
cyberlocc
Chameleon Enthusiast
Could that be green defactes, that are a sign of liver and kidney damage? Either way, its time to make the tough call.
Do your chameleon right, let her rest. And read up on these forums and ask questions and learn to ensure this doesn't happen again, in her honor care for another properly.
Do your chameleon right, let her rest. And read up on these forums and ask questions and learn to ensure this doesn't happen again, in her honor care for another properly.
LindsayG
Avid Member
@Haileybug I am so sorry you are going through this right now.. I know it is extremely hard for you. I just thought I'd share a story. I adopted twin cats that had been together since birth and at 5 years old they came to me, their 3rd "forever" home. I had them for about 2 years and in that time they became my world. I had no other pets at the time and they were literally my babies. They slept with me both every single night. The male would sleep on top of my hair every night. One night he didn't come to bed. I had got home late and didnt think much of it. By noon the next day I was freaking out. I thought the landlord had let him out possibly the day before. An hour later I found him curled up inside a pile of sheets on the floor. He was sweating and panting. I picked him up and his hind legs were limp. He couldn't walked. Bawling, I brought him to the emergency vet that Sunday and they told me he had an undiagnosed heart murmur and he had thrown a blood clot that had lodged at the base of his spine. He would never be able to walk again and if I wanted to keep him alive he would have to remain at the vet the rest of his life and that was only if he survived the surgery. I was sitting in the "death room" with him holding him. He just kept wanting to get up and walk around but he couldnt. I cried and cried but I knew that the best thing for him was to put him down. He was only 7. It was by far the hardest thing I've ever had to do in my life but I knew he would have no quality of life if I prolonged his suffering. I knew it would just be selfish of me. 24 hours prior he was completely fine and now I was ending his life. I know it's not the same scenario but believe me I get it. Sometimes you just have to know when to throw in the towel when it's best for the animal. Your cham can't tell you how's she's feeling. As her human you just have to do what you know is right for her as hard as it may be. I hope you come to the right conclusion so she can finally be at peace. She doesn't need to suffer any longer.
Remkon
Chameleon Enthusiast
I know what it is...
This is the result of pet stores selling animals that need (somewhat) specialized care to anybody with 30$ in their wallet...
This is the result of pet stores not giving or not being able to give proper instructions on how to take care of the animal.
I can't even blame you that much for the animals condition...
But please take responsibility for the situation now and follow the advise given, even if it's hard...
Next time do your research before you purchase...
This is the result of pet stores selling animals that need (somewhat) specialized care to anybody with 30$ in their wallet...
This is the result of pet stores not giving or not being able to give proper instructions on how to take care of the animal.
I can't even blame you that much for the animals condition...
But please take responsibility for the situation now and follow the advise given, even if it's hard...
Next time do your research before you purchase...
Fiona's Mom
Chameleon Enthusiast
My opinion is it is already too late.
