Where do i buy dubias roaches? CANADA!!

[Pascal_Sunny]

Hey guys, so Im thinking of switching my male veiled cham over to dubias roaches. Question...where do i buy them? Anyone in canada have a place they order from? I know not all places are clean and some have parasites in their roaches. Lemme know! Or even people outside of canada where do you order??

 

[Andee]

Most order their roaches from online and most of the breeders of dubia roaches take extremely good care of colonies. A lot of them are sponsors here so you can find them on the sponsor page. However I don't know if Canada allows dubia roaches, or any roaches of any type. However if you can legally keep them, I would order a small batch or nymphs first to try your chameleon out and see if he takes to them. Not all chameleons will eat them. There are tricks to making them more appeasing and if you can get them in Canada, just ask, and I will tell you what I do. If he does end up liking dubia, I would definitely recommend setting up a colony of 25 males to 50 females with several hundred nymphs. It will be an expensive set up just because the adult roaches are a bit pricey. But that is a good sized start up colony that will easily keep you going until they start producing. I recommend solid sided rubbermaid bin of at least 35 qt, cut a hole in the top and screen it in. Heat pads are needed, I attach mine to the side but you can also put it on the floor if there can be air flow. And I load as many eggcrates as I can in there with them without losing space for food bowls. The males need as much territory as possible

 

[Pascal_Sunny]

Most order their roaches from online and most of the breeders of dubia roaches take extremely good care of colonies. A lot of them are sponsors here so you can find them on the sponsor page. However I don't know if Canada allows dubia roaches, or any roaches of any type. However if you can legally keep them, I would order a small batch or nymphs first to try your chameleon out and see if he takes to them. Not all chameleons will eat them. There are tricks to making them more appeasing and if you can get them in Canada, just ask, and I will tell you what I do. If he does end up liking dubia, I would definitely recommend setting up a colony of 25 males to 50 females with several hundred nymphs. It will be an expensive set up just because the adult roaches are a bit pricey. But that is a good sized start up colony that will easily keep you going until they start producing. I recommend solid sided rubbermaid bin of at least 35 qt, cut a hole in the top and screen it in. Heat pads are needed, I attach mine to the side but you can also put it on the floor if there can be air flow. And I load as many eggcrates as I can in there with them without losing space for food bowls. The males need as much territory as possible

THANKS A MILLION This all seemed like a great idea...until i discovered roaches are illegal in Canada UGHHHH NO FUN!!! thanks anyways any other ideas for staple foods a veiled chameleon could be on other than crickets?

 

[Andee]

Hmmm Canada is a bit tricky. I don't live there so it can be tricky suggesting stuff that's legal but I will recommend some of the stuff I breed and you can check them out. I like black soldier fly larvae and their flies as a healthy regular feeder and enrichment feeder. There is silkworms, if you can get enough you can easily start breeding them, I would recommend potting a mulberry tree so that you have a constant food source through out the warmer months of the year. I don't think hornworms are legal there but you can look into them. There are super worms, I just buy mine and gut load them, but they are relatively easy to breed if you want to do that. For main staples I do super worms, crickets, and two types of roaches. I have also started something that you will probably be able to get very easily. I have a colony of giant canyon isopods. They are extremely low maintenance and very high in calcium. They make great staples. I recommend the giant canyon because you can feed the adults to adult panthers and veiled, and feed the younger ones to babies of all sizes. They are also very fast, so when disturbed and put in the feeding cup they scurry around for a long time and catch the interest of my chameleons quickly. There are also other types of flies you can pupate if you order them online. I have stick insects, so if you can find some wild caught ones and make them happy you can easily start a colony from them. There are a lot of possibilities I probably haven't even mentioned everything.

 

[KapitalJ]

I am not suggesting you break the law, but roaches are available if you look around. I see them on kijiji in my are all the time.
I also believe there is a new kind that is legal here... gonna try to find the link *on hold*

I think these may be legal? you will have to look into it, also if they are a good feeder for your cham.
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-reptiles-amp...99/1196858135?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

 

[Pascal_Sunny]

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Hmmm Canada is a bit tricky. I don't live there so it can be tricky suggesting stuff that's legal but I will recommend some of the stuff I breed and you can check them out. I like black soldier fly larvae and their flies as a healthy regular feeder and enrichment feeder. There is silkworms, if you can get enough you can easily start breeding them, I would recommend potting a mulberry tree so that you have a constant food source through out the warmer months of the year. I don't think hornworms are legal there but you can look into them. There are super worms, I just buy mine and gut load them, but they are relatively easy to breed if you want to do that. For main staples I do super worms, crickets, and two types of roaches. I have also started something that you will probably be able to get very easily. I have a colony of giant canyon isopods. They are extremely low maintenance and very high in calcium. They make great staples. I recommend the giant canyon because you can feed the adults to adult panthers and veiled, and feed the younger ones to babies of all sizes. They are also very fast, so when disturbed and put in the feeding cup they scurry around for a long time and catch the interest of my chameleons quickly. There are also other types of flies you can pupate if you order them online. I have stick insects, so if you can find some wild caught ones and make them happy you can easily start a colony from them. There are a lot of possibilities I probably haven't even mentioned everything.

Awesome! I didn't know superworms could be a staple! Their poo doesn't get too runny on them? And I have briefly read about Isopods, how do you keep them? Do you gutload the same as crickets?

 

[KapitalJ]

Hornworms are legal here. Although quite expensive until you find a decent supplier. I can now get them for 0.75 each if I order a week in advance. Most places sell them for 1.50-2.00 each.

Not sure if Supers are a great idea for a staple diet. Although I do feed them weekly as well and have hundreds on hand.

@Pascal_Sunny where are you located?

 

[Pascal_Sunny]

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Hornworms are legal here. Although quite expensive until you find a decent supplier. I can now get them for 0.75 each if I order a week in advance. Most places sell them for 1.50-2.00 each.

Not sure if Supers are a great idea for a staple diet. Although I do feed them weekly as well and have hundreds on hand.

@Pascal_Sunny where are you located?

Okay sweet! So you do hornwormsnas a staple? Im in Alberta.

 

[KapitalJ]

I do not. Not sure if that is good either. Would make for some messy poop!!

My staple are crickets, but I also include the following weekly. Supers (3 supers every 3 days), horns (5 a week), butters (2-3 a week). In the summer, I collect butterfly's, grass hoppers (my guy loves these) fly's, etc... Now, these numbers are not set in stone. I constantly change things to keep my guy on his toes.

 

[Pascal_Sunny]

I do not. Not sure if that is good either. Would make for some messy poop!!

My staple are crickets, but I also include the following weekly. Supers (3 supers every 3 days), horns (5 a week), butters (2-3 a week). In the summer, I collect butterfly's, grass hoppers (my guy loves these) fly's, etc... Now, these numbers are not set in stone. I constantly change things to keep my guy on his toes.

Okay gotcha, yea mine may eat 10 crickets in a day but then he might also eat 4, he was eating 10 right when he was about 1 year old, and now he seems content on 5-6, and a few wax worms a week as treats.

 

[Pascal_Sunny]

Hmmm Canada is a bit tricky. I don't live there so it can be tricky suggesting stuff that's legal but I will recommend some of the stuff I breed and you can check them out. I like black soldier fly larvae and their flies as a healthy regular feeder and enrichment feeder. There is silkworms, if you can get enough you can easily start breeding them, I would recommend potting a mulberry tree so that you have a constant food source through out the warmer months of the year. I don't think hornworms are legal there but you can look into them. There are super worms, I just buy mine and gut load them, but they are relatively easy to breed if you want to do that. For main staples I do super worms, crickets, and two types of roaches. I have also started something that you will probably be able to get very easily. I have a colony of giant canyon isopods. They are extremely low maintenance and very high in calcium. They make great staples. I recommend the giant canyon because you can feed the adults to adult panthers and veiled, and feed the younger ones to babies of all sizes. They are also very fast, so when disturbed and put in the feeding cup they scurry around for a long time and catch the interest of my chameleons quickly. There are also other types of flies you can pupate if you order them online. I have stick insects, so if you can find some wild caught ones and make them happy you can easily start a colony from them. There are a lot of possibilities I probably haven't even mentioned everything.

Where would I be able to get the giant canyon isopods?

 

[Andee]

Giant canyon isopods you have to order online. And they are extremely easy to keep. I have them is a medium sized sterilite bin with about half of it filled with eco earth, crushed oak leaves, Moss and stones and pieces of wood for them to hide under. The great thin about these guys is your started colony doesn't have to be huge, I started around 100 of mixed sizes add a small heat pad when it was too cold. And misted them thoroughly every day. Now I am quite sure I have 700 hundred or so. Now the thing you needs to remeber about isopods is they breathe through modified gills, so they need a lot of humidity in their enclsoure. So instead of screening the top like I normally would, I put several medium sized drill holes all along the top. So far they eat almost everything I give them. By far their favorites are carrot and applease. But I have had success with squash and zucchini. They don't like too many fruits and most fruits go bad quickly because their enclosure is so humid. However even with how many I have the most I feed them at one time is half a large carrot. It takes them about a day to finish it.

 

[Pascal_Sunny]

Giant canyon isopods you have to order online. And they are extremely easy to keep. I have them is a medium sized sterilite bin with about half of it filled with eco earth, crushed oak leaves, Moss and stones and pieces of wood for them to hide under. The great thin about these guys is your started colony doesn't have to be huge, I started around 100 of mixed sizes add a small heat pad when it was too cold. And misted them thoroughly every day. Now I am quite sure I have 700 hundred or so. Now the thing you needs to remeber about isopods is they breathe through modified gills, so they need a lot of humidity in their enclsoure. So instead of screening the top like I normally would, I put several medium sized drill holes all along the top. So far they eat almost everything I give them. By far their favorites are carrot and applease. But I have had success with squash and zucchini. They don't like too many fruits and most fruits go bad quickly because their enclosure is so humid. However even with how many I have the most I feed them at one time is half a large carrot. It takes them about a day to finish it.

Awesome thank you!! and where do I order these??? do you clean their bin very often? and this may be a super dumb question (lol) but how do you pick them up to feed to your cham? you use a cup or a tube like a cricket keeper? and where would you recommend I order them from?

 

[Andee]

I just pick them up with my hands. They don't jump. And no I don't clean the bin, they are often used as a cleaning crew for other insects and live vivariums. Ummm there is several places to order from... bugs in cyber space might have some. Someone on arachno boards might. And roach crossing usually does.

 

[Pascal_Sunny]

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I just pick them up with my hands. They don't jump. And no I don't clean the bin, they are often used as a cleaning crew for other insects and live vivariums. Ummm there is several places to order from... bugs in cyber space might have some. Someone on arachno boards might. And roach crossing usually does.

Awesome!!! Thanks so much for the info!!! ❤❤ Can't wait to get some!!! gosh i feel like such a child...getting excited about bugs... LOL!!!!!!

 

[Stinger]

Hey guys, so Im thinking of switching my male veiled cham over to dubias roaches. Question...where do i buy them? Anyone in canada have a place they order from? I know not all places are clean and some have parasites in their roaches. Lemme know! Or even people outside of canada where do you order??

Pascal I know the feeling ,I'm from Canada also, and yes I wanted to have Dubai roaches but we can't. Just to help out I found a real good source of insect food.
A 2 to 1 Calcium to phosphorus ratio BSFL ( Black soldier fly larvae ) and they keep for awhile when you refrigerate in the butter tray or wine cooler.
Look up thewormlady in Ontario . She has a awesome site.
Dubia Roaches band should be lifted from Canada. Maybe Canada should band Bed bugs lol.
Take care all Chammers

 

[Pascal_Sunny]

Pascal I know the feeling ,I'm from Canada also, and yes I wanted to have Dubai roaches but we can't. Just to help out I found a real good source of insect food.
A 2 to 1 Calcium to phosphorus ratio BSFL ( Black soldier fly larvae ) and they keep for awhile when you refrigerate in the butter tray or wine cooler.
Look up thewormlady in Ontario . She has a awesome site.
Dubia Roaches band should be lifted from Canada. Maybe Canada should band Bed bugs lol.
Take care all Chammers

Ugh i feel your pain!!!!
also do you feed just the black soldier fly larvae? Im im Alberta, do you think the larvae would keep for shipping and stuff?

 

[Andee]

No need to feed the bsfl unless you are raising them youraelf. They need to be kept moist so they don't dry out but otherwise you just leave them alone and don't put them in the fridge.

 

[Pascal_Sunny]

No need to feed the bsfl unless you are raising them youraelf. They need to be kept moist so they don't dry out but otherwise you just leave them alone and don't put them in the fridge.

Okay gotcha! so then do you only feed bsfl as your staple as apposed to a cricket or roach staple with worms on the side? Also, you said don't keep them in the fridge, why is that? lots of people say to keep them in the fridge so they remain "dormant" what does that mean?

 

[Andee]

Always have roaches as a staple. Bsfl cannot be a staple, do not fill an adult up enough and are too soft bodied. Bsfl are one of the worm types that don't do well in fridges. They usually dry out unbelievably fast in the fridge and can ruin your entire stock. Besides you can feed off the flies too. Wax worms also die quicker in the fridge in case anyone told you different. Super worms shouldn't be kept in the fridge either.