Who can mate with who?

BocaJan

BocaJan

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There is so much information on mating chams, but I have not seen any advice on mating different blood lines, or the same blood lines. So my questions are:
1. Can cousins be mated successfully? (Same male different female)
2. Can brother and sister be mated successfully?
3. Can dad and daughter be mated successfully?
4. How about son and mother?

Thanks.
 
BocaJan said:
There is so much information on mating chams, but I have not seen any advice on mating different blood lines, or the same blood lines. So my questions are:
1. Can cousins be mated successfully? (Same male different female)
2. Can brother and sister be mated successfully?
3. Can dad and daughter be mated successfully?
4. How about son and mother?

Thanks.
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All of those combinations will mate successfully. They should not continuously be inbred to prevent any inbreeding issue and eventually be outbreed. As far as genetic problems , IMO we tend to put a stigma on this. I am sure it happens in the wild. Unless anyone has any data on sibling recognition. It is done all the time to get a trait out of other herps. Translucent Veiled comes to mind when I think about this.

I had a very interesting conversation about this with Ed Kammer. He seemed to feel the same way.

EDIT: After reading Sangs post , I agree on the Son to Mother breeding. No real reason other than it sounds correct to me.
 
when i was breeding birds.

there was basically 2 rules..

don't breed sons to mothers.

and try to skip a generation if you plan on breeding.

but i wanted rich genetic bloodlines that weren't stagnant with the originals so i never really bred with anything of well blood siblings.

1/2 siblings was the closest i ever did and that was the same daddy! the females usually came out OK, the males always had something funny bout them
 
Sang said:
when i was breeding birds.

there was basically 2 rules..

don't breed sons to mothers.

and try to skip a generation if you plan on breeding.

but i wanted rich genetic bloodlines that weren't stagnant with the originals so i never really bred with anything of well blood siblings.

1/2 siblings was the closest i ever did and that was the same daddy! the females usually came out OK, the males always had something funny bout them
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i cant imagine advise on breeding birds is safe enough to apply to chameleons
 
DylanN said:
i cant imagine advise on breeding birds is safe enough to apply to chameleons
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Why not? You still have the same challenges and end result. Just a different animal. I would think the ethics and methods would apply in the same or similar way.

They lay need some incubation , etc etc
 
very interesting, so if i read above correctly:
brother sister= ok, but no genetic diversity
son mother= bad combination
daughter father= ok
anything else is good.

did i get that right? this is interesting, and i also think that we avoid this because of the stigma for people that do this in our society. I would like to hear more about the genetic issues for inbreeding herps
 
Ryan Jarosek said:
Why not? You still have the same challenges and end result. Just a different animal. I would think the ethics and methods would apply in the same or similar way.

They lay need some incubation , etc etc
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I didn't say it wasn't similar, i just meant i would refer to information from experience with breeding chams rather than birds.
 
wheresstimpy said:
very interesting, so if i read above correctly:
brother sister= ok, but no genetic diversity
son mother= bad combination
daughter father= ok
anything else is good.

did i get that right? this is interesting, and i also think that we avoid this because of the stigma for people that do this in our society. I would like to hear more about the genetic issues for inbreeding herps
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if you look at it from a genetic stand point, and what is actually passed down from the father. less of the fathers genetic material will be passed on down to females then males.

usually id avoid any blood relative mating as it can result in genetif deformaties, genetic mutations.
 
AndrewH said:
i would just try to find and mate unrealated blood lines.
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Agreed. At least back to grandparents anyhow. Why risk issues? Sure it happens in nature all the time, and if there are unhealthy results those ones die off. Anyone really wanna replicate that survival of the fittest idea at home?
 
why would you want to take two of the same bloodlines or even half of the same bloodlines and breed them together , you want that diverse affect of different genes to mix up in the pool and make new blood why stick with old blood when you can get something new and have new bloodlines, you wonder why interbred animals only live so long the genetics just arent there if you ask me i wouldnt interbreed at all your just going to screw the lines for future use , wouldnt that be cute a half mentally retarded bird comes out are you going to care for it the rest of its life because you decided to breed father and daughter together, to me the question should be would you breed your daughter ahahaahah i hope not so why would you do it with animals if you yourself wouldnt do it , just think about it
 
It was a question for debate, not to slam me. I know in the wild animals usually don't care, so I thought it was a valid question.
 
wake up

other reptiles are inbred all day long.

trans veileds were inbred, and the black spot morph was inbred.


i dont like it, but its needed sometimes
 
BocaJan said:
It was a question for debate, not to slam me. I know in the wild animals usually don't care, so I thought it was a valid question.
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i agree, my chams are from different bloodlines, but i still find the whole genetic side of the thing to be very valid question. Has there been any studies of this in herps? everyone says deformities will happen, but has anyone actually seen one?
 
its not just in herps its in most complex living things............ generation after generation you see deforms, all kinds of health problems,



look at worms right now? the breeders didnt intro new blood, just kept inbreeding and inbreeding and now those worms were causing problems with the animals that ate them......


but it does happen, again trans veileds were inbred, where else would, would be breeders find those genes to express the trait?
 
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