Why

[jastate09]

The price of both Panthers and Veileds have come down quite a bit. Back in 2003 and 2004 I paid over $500 for a nice Panther and $150 for a veiled.

jannb your veileds are the nicest looking veileds I've ever seen.

 

[pssh]

Backyard breeders/people willing to sell wholesale! Veileds are a dime a dozen now... So much so that some people use them (babies) as expensive enrichment feeders to larger animals... Like puppies, kittens, guinea pigs, and other small "pet" animals.

 

[Eric Adrignola]

people have been saying that panthers would be cheaper for a long time. Thing is, they keep in high demand for several reasons. Marketing, the low quantity of "pet" animals available (small clutches, harder to breed/hatch/raise, and the fact that female pardalis make much less desirable pets than males). A clutch of 20 has maybe 10 viable "pets". Commercial veiled breeders can get 50+ out of a female, per clutch. And female veileds can live 5+ years easy, making them decent pets on their own.

 

[Fidel]

veileds=panther food

 

[Eric Adrignola]

I've got a male veiled that would take issue with that!

 

[Fidel]

Bring him over Eric, We'll have a chameleon battle royale!

 

[Psi]

I don't think there has been a WC Tanzania.

Actually I picked up some stuff from a shipment that came in recently.
Dunno everything that came from it exactly, I just got a price list after they sorted their inventory.

I too am surprised at the still high prices of BP's but realistically it's all about producing the latest expensive morph and by that proving you have a bigger errrr accoutrement than the next guy. Can you even sell a normal BP anymore or are they simply used as Drymarchon or Varanid food these days.

Actually you can move normal BP's relatively easily still.
More so comes down to the price you put on them, but they're still a great introductory snake with a low price tag that parents like.
I'll have 6-8 '10 normals(male/female split) for my opening, and a few 09 males and 09 het albino females and I expect to move a couple of them.

As far as the latest morph, you're completely correct. First person to produce it slaps a 10k price tag on it and laughs if they sell any.

 

[ChamOh]

different strokes for different folks...




.... and so on and so on and shooby dooby do be.


(someone rep me for this)

 

[summoner12]

Btw, I didn't mean any disrespect to veileds when I used the pickup truck analogy--I have a veiled and she's amazing. I was just comparing the colour spectrums of veileds and panthers.
Whats wrong with pickup trucks anyway? The new F150 is gorgeous!

Not that this relationship translates to veileds... but trucks are a waste of space and fuel. IMHO

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?o...5775&pid=2731036&id=1433030547&oid=6859855775

 

[robmd1]

Not that this relationship translates to veileds... but trucks are a waste of space and fuel. IMHO

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?o...5775&pid=2731036&id=1433030547&oid=6859855775

without trucks everything stops

 

[summoner12]

without trucks everything stops

lol isn't your truck stopped... in the shop all the time?

Fix
Or
Repair
Daily

 

[Psi]

lol isn't your truck stopped... in the shop all the time?

Fix
Or
Repair
Daily

I prefer:

F'er
Only
Runs
Downhill

 

[Eric Adrignola]

Bring him over Eric, We'll have a chameleon battle royale!

He's never going to let me photo him with nice colors unless he's asleep or dead. His offspring are now available!

 

[robmd1]

lol isn't your truck stopped... in the shop all the time?

Fix
Or
Repair
Daily

only cause they cant fix there own product, but without trucks the world would stop...

 

[sandrachameleon]

... and the fact that female pardalis make much less desirable pets than males.

I so very much disagree. Female panthers are every bit as good as males. In some ways better - more personality, more active. Equally nice colours (just not the same as males).

... And female veileds can live 5+ years easy, making them decent pets on their own.

Female panthers can also live 5 years most of the time.

 

[Eric Adrignola]

We're talking marketability. Not individual preferences. People may end up preferring a female due to the smaller size and more mellow disposition, but it's the color that sells.

 

[steelheadchaser]

He's never going to let me photo him with nice colors unless he's asleep or dead. His offspring are now available!

He almost looks like he is flipping you off!

 

[Eric Adrignola]

He was. He is a very misanthropic lizard. He came in with layers of unshed skin on his feet, and many missing toenails. That's why he's got only that one claw sticking up!

 

[summoner12]

I so very much disagree. Female panthers are every bit as good as males. In some ways better - more personality, more active. Equally nice colours (just not the same as males).

I really enjoy the sass my female panther has. It's taken some time for her to warm up to me... She used to be deathly scared of me and be pretty aggressive. The interesting thing, she became nicer after I had to help her along with some meds and dealing with an impaction. Seems she learned that I wouldn't eat her when trying to handle her.

 

[AReptile]

Mine still hates me, though she will put that aside for a moment when I feed her. I think maybe perhaps the size difference also has something to do with the price difference? Keeping a larger animal pretty much always requires more room set aside.