saradoggy10
Established Member
Not sure about panthers but, veileds can! They can take a monch every once in a while on some greens
Yeah...His First Carrot!
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PabloTheCham
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Yeah, they can much on them... just like you can munch on grass. What I'm saying is they don't absorb nutrients from the greens that they can much every once in a while.
Nope... Just because they can does not mean they should.... Taken from Feeding section https://chameleonacademy.com/veiled-chameleon-care/
Veiled Chameleons are one of the few chameleon species that are known to graze on their cage plants. In the wild, their food, as babies, is reported to consist of caterpillars and soft food items. The plant matter is used as roughage to help the digesting mass through the system. As this is during the wet season there is no reason to need to eat plants for moisture and insects are plentiful so there is no nutrition known that they need from these plants. In your cage you may find your pothos or umbrella plant having a triangle bite taken out of it. This is normal and not dangerous. Though do not offer fruits. Even though Veiled Chameleons will eat greens and fruits they are not necessary to feed. Especially avoid feeding fruit which is filled with sugars.
Do not take the measure of what a Veiled Chameleon will eat to equal what is good for them. They will eat just about anything – even things that are not food. They are an eat first, ask questions later type animal.
Kamikaze Chameleon
Avid Member
Yea give it try! Although i would definitely gut load still and I wouldn't recommend offering this at every feeding, just once every few months.I've seen in threads that chams bodies aren't really made to digest that kind of material and they dont really eat that stuff in nature so i keep it limited. My guy has an eye issue right now so the carrot should hopefully help with that haha good luck!?
@Kamikaze Chameleon said..."
My guy has an eye issue right now so the carrot should hopefully help with that"...this would depend partly on whether the chameleon can convert beta carotene into preformed vitamin A or not and also if the eye issue is caused by a vitamin A shortage.
My guy has an eye issue right now so the carrot should hopefully help with that"...this would depend partly on whether the chameleon can convert beta carotene into preformed vitamin A or not and also if the eye issue is caused by a vitamin A shortage.
@PabloTheCham said..."they don't absorb nutrients from the greens"....I would like to see a study that proves this one day. I'm still not convinced.
PabloTheCham
Chameleon Enthusiast
I believe I saw that in the phylosophy of gutloading?
" Since chameleons have short digestive tracts incapable of processing hard to digest material such as plant matter (Necas, 2018a)"
But is that an assumption or a fact?
Granted herbivorous reptiles and other animals have longer digestive tracts and carnivores have short ones generally...but what if there is some factor in insectivores tha makes a long digestive tract unnecessary? IMHO it's odd that some eat greens and veggies when presented with them but can't digest them when they are not eating soft bodied insects. Just a theory/thought/question.
I dunno but when my boys eat their plants. They come out like leaves... No difference and no look of digestion.
PabloTheCham
Chameleon Enthusiast
Well I don't know, but I would expect from Petr not to publish assumptions, only factual conclusions based on data. I have not looked into how he got to that conclusion, I just took his word for it ?
Kinda like the fat in the casque not being fat now but swollen muscle... No evidence presented however to back up his new theory....
PabloTheCham
Chameleon Enthusiast
I wish I could eat lots of fat and have my muscles swell up too XD
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JoXie411
Chameleon Enthusiast
That’s absolutely false statement it’s water that makes you swell, how do I know.... I won’t tell
My female veileds stripped pothos plants bare so I should have easily seen lots of leaves in the feces and yet i didn't. That's what makes me wonder.
Yeah I am not saying that it is not possible that they pull nutrients but I am not one that follows the line of thinking that you should feed them fruit and veg either.
When Beman was young he stripped his plants. Once he hit about 10 months this slowed quite a bit. Now he is almost 2 and a half years old and he barely takes a bite. But he always goes after the tender new growth on the pothos when he does. Bane is almost 7 months old and eats them here and there but only his money tree never the pothos. Baby Bentley I have had almost a month and has yet to even try his plants.
PabloTheCham
Chameleon Enthusiast
Absolute and sinful fabulation with no base... pure fantasy
Mrjamwin
Chameleon Enthusiast
Sooooo, here is some food for thought and I may be off base here. Anyone ever seen a Chameleon eating a carrot, strawberry, etc etc in the wild? Are these things that you would find in the habitat of a Veiled? I would venture to guess probably not and therefore they wouldn't be exposed to these types of vegetation and thus wouldn't being eating them in the first place. With that said if these things are not what a Cham would find in the wild then why are people trying to feed their Chams with them? I'm always wondering why people want to know if they can feed their Chams grapes and strawberries etc. Then I see someone post (on Facebook pages btw) stating that Chams can eat them if you cut them up into bite size pieces. Which then begs me to question who cuts them up for them in wild if they were to eat these things in the wild? I know this is mostly people who have no knowledge of Chams but i still find it mind numbing. If this sounds judgmental I apologize because that is not my intent. Anyway, rant over. Thank you. 
Lennoncham
Chameleon Enthusiast
I have never seen any leaves in melons poop either and she eats pothos like crazy.
