Yet another "what locale am I?"
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Dr O
Veterinarian
and unfortunately i don't think there ever can be. many years of late night discussions with some heavy-duty people in the herp world and i have imagined going to Madagascar and sampling populations to try and get baseline data on locales. however, the problems that exists are so numerous:
-the interbreeding (accidental and intentional) that has been going on on the island for millennia
-the variability and ID of found specimens (quick, Pixel was just caught on the northern coast sleeping on a branch. does he go in the mitsio cage or the ambilobe? in his case, it sure may depend on his age or even the time of day that sways the decision)
-the unreliability of many exporters and their data re: found locations, breedings, etc.
dogs for example have had a comparatively very thorough history on their pedigrees and what brought them from where they were 1000 years ago to where they are today with a tremendous amount of documentation, shows, books, photos, etc. so there exists nowhere near the genetic conundrum that exists with panther chams. (and even so, there still are issues in the pedigree world concerning ID).
even going to a more remote and isolated locale like Nosy Be cannot guarantee that an individual's great grandmother wasn't half bred with another locale. it might be diluted down, but it's still not a pure line that you could then use as the genetic standard for that locale.
i wish it could be different. i'm a vet, and i've spoken with exporters/herpetologists/geneticists/even corporations that would love to receive the grants and do the field work necessary for such a database, but no one that i have spoken with has a way to overcome these obstacles (in this day and age), and it seems that such research would be fraught with errors galore to the point where the data would and should be considered invalid.
imo, all we can do is what reputable breeders currently are doing: follow the lines back as far as possible, breed known lines as much as possible if you're striving for purity, and be 100% upfront if you are creating a morph or are unsure; and then let the market decide. that's certainly my goal at least, and is generally the consensus in the room after those late-night beers have gone down!
would love to hear other ideas for and against-----
Dr O
Veterinarian
just an update on his children—
27 of the 29 eggs from the first clutch hatched in the past 2 weeks with 2 more eggs to go, one should be out tomorrow. mom (Mrs. Piggy) dropped a second clutch from that initial breeding 7 weeks later, but those babies just apparently couldn't wait! 24 of 26 exploded out of their eggs in just the past 4 days! so we should have about 55 similarly aged little ones overall. we're going to do a cage shuffle in the next few days so we'll get a preliminary M/F count. these are all the babes in the few photo threads that I have been posting.
I'll be keeping a few females from these clutches and holding back lots of the boys to see where they're headed. there's a Repticon show that I reserved when they will be just over 5 months, so that sould be pretty good timing for letting some of the holdbacks go.
if I had my druthers I sure wish these clutches would have stayed a few months apart so I could watch the first batch and have a better idea of the second batch's looks, but it wasn't meant to be. since Pixel is going to remain a mystery, these are going to be sold as possibly 100% ambi's or at the most a 75/25 ambi/mitsio morph with lesser degrees possible as well such as 87.5/12.5. opinions are fun, but they are unknown and will be sold as such. it's all good anyway; I've got known pure lines and known morph lines. but Pix will forever remain a handsome mystery!
27 of the 29 eggs from the first clutch hatched in the past 2 weeks with 2 more eggs to go, one should be out tomorrow. mom (Mrs. Piggy) dropped a second clutch from that initial breeding 7 weeks later, but those babies just apparently couldn't wait! 24 of 26 exploded out of their eggs in just the past 4 days! so we should have about 55 similarly aged little ones overall. we're going to do a cage shuffle in the next few days so we'll get a preliminary M/F count. these are all the babes in the few photo threads that I have been posting.
I'll be keeping a few females from these clutches and holding back lots of the boys to see where they're headed. there's a Repticon show that I reserved when they will be just over 5 months, so that sould be pretty good timing for letting some of the holdbacks go.
if I had my druthers I sure wish these clutches would have stayed a few months apart so I could watch the first batch and have a better idea of the second batch's looks, but it wasn't meant to be. since Pixel is going to remain a mystery, these are going to be sold as possibly 100% ambi's or at the most a 75/25 ambi/mitsio morph with lesser degrees possible as well such as 87.5/12.5. opinions are fun, but they are unknown and will be sold as such. it's all good anyway; I've got known pure lines and known morph lines. but Pix will forever remain a handsome mystery!
sandrachameleon
Chameleon Enthusiast
Sorry to be late to the thread / to resurect the thread
But I have a pure ambilobe that also has gone largely lime yellow in his older years. Sometimes he still shows me his "normal" ambi colours, but often he pretends to have Mitso in him. Mine's reliably pure ambilobe, from a quality breeder,
so yours may very well be pure too. Or at least as pure as anything else in the North America market.
Just saying.
Lennie (pure ambilobe) how he often appears today:
Somewhat younger Lennie:
Young Lennie:
But I have a pure ambilobe that also has gone largely lime yellow in his older years. Sometimes he still shows me his "normal" ambi colours, but often he pretends to have Mitso in him. Mine's reliably pure ambilobe, from a quality breeder,
so yours may very well be pure too. Or at least as pure as anything else in the North America market.
Just saying.
Lennie (pure ambilobe) how he often appears today:
Somewhat younger Lennie:
Young Lennie:
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studio2eight
New Member
WOW - half blue and half red bars, those greens and yellows... he is truly amazing. I'm going to go with a Mitsio/Ambilobe mix as well.
DaChameleonator
New Member
Ooh I know what he is....he's fricken beautiful and an absolutely amazing creation lol. Thank you God for creating such gorgeous animals
