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[Motherlode Chameleon]

There seems to be little to no info online regarding incubating the small Calumma species.

No there is not much information on print about breeding these types of Madagascar Calumma available on print anywhere. The best place to look for information is a small group of keepers that are online that have bred these types of Calumma.

The Madagascar Elephant Eared Calumma Chameleons are considered difficult to bred. However to especially astute breeders breeding these Elephant Eared Calumma species can be done.

Elisa Hinkle hatched out a couple of Calumma brevicorne babies after an especially long incubation.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

 

[jajeanpierre]

Here is the female crypticum I had right before I sent her to Joel. Zoom in and check out the blue spots on her legs and abdomen. Would love to hear an update on her.
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Funny you should ask Gene--I just got a picture of her today! Out of focus, but you can see she is looking good. I was asking how Hippo was and Joel sent me pictures of the girls too.

 

[jajeanpierre]

There seems to be little to no info online regarding incubating the small Calumma species.

I have a few clutches of Calumma malthe in my incubator. They are about five months along. No one has really been successful with malthe. I don't even know if anyone has even hatched any malthe yet. Something tells me one or two people hatched a few babies but I can't remember. I think people have been more successful with brevicorne.

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

This is a interesting topic.

I have a few clutches of Calumma malthe in my incubator. They are about five months along. No one has really been successful with malthe. I don't even know if anyone has even hatched any malthe yet. Something tells me one or two people hatched a few babies but I can't remember. I think people have been more successful with brevicorne.

Actually I am acquainted with a group of keepers from Europe that has bred Calumma malthe. I was thinking along the same lines about Calumma brevicorne being more commonly bred from overseas breeders in Europe. However from the people/breeders I have talked to say Calumma malthe is the more commonly bred species other than Calumma brevicorne.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

 

[jajeanpierre]

This is a interesting topic.



Actually I am acquainted with a group of keepers from Europe that has bred Calumma malthe. I was thinking along the same lines about Calumma brevicorne being more commonly bred from overseas breeders in Europe. However from the people/breeders I have talked to say Calumma malthe is the more commonly bred species other than Calumma brevicorne.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

Not from what I heard. I've heard of a few people that have hatched a few eggs, but that's all. Who in Europe has bred malthe?

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

This is interesting.

Not from what I heard. I've heard of a few people that have hatched a few eggs, but that's all. Who in Europe has bred malthe?

From what species? Calumma brevicorne or Calumma malthe? You are not being very specific. Here is one name that has stated openly before you joined the Chameleon Forums said he has bred Calumma malthe and I think to the best of my knowledge he said Calumma brevicorne is everyone's friend Jurgen Van Overbeke. I am not going to list anyone else. Those two source should be good enough.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

 

[jajeanpierre]

This is interesting.



From what species? Calumma brevicorne or Calumma malthe? You are not being very specific. Here is one name that has stated openly before you joined the Chameleon Forums said he has bred Calumma malthe and I think to the best of my knowledge he said Calumma brevicorne is everyone's friend Jurgen Van Overbeke. I am not going to list anyone else. Those two source should be good enough.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

Sorry, I was talking about malthe.

I spoke to the other person in Europe that I believe you are referring to. He was so vague about them that I was left with the distinct feeling that he had not bred them, but only hatched a few eggs. Steve McNarry also hatched two or three from a clutch. I'll contact Jurgen--we've been in touch recently over quads and importing my stock from the US into Europe.

Joel and I have put a lot of thought into them. It was following Joel's suggestion that resulted in several breedings in captivity from two different males. Unfortunately, the females died during that toxic event I had this spring--it really hit the malthe hard, especially the females. Hopefully I was able to salvage the eggs. They still look good but who knows. They have been incubating for more than five months now so I am hoping.

 

[JoeDigiorgio]

Sorry, I was talking about malthe.

I spoke to the other person in Europe that I believe you are referring to. He was so vague about them that I was left with the distinct feeling that he had not bred them, but only hatched a few eggs. Steve McNarry also hatched two or three from a clutch. I'll contact Jurgen--we've been in touch recently over quads and importing my stock from the US into Europe.

Joel and I have put a lot of thought into them. It was following Joel's suggestion that resulted in several breedings in captivity from two different males. Unfortunately, the females died during that toxic event I had this spring--it really hit the malthe hard, especially the females. Hopefully I was able to salvage the eggs. They still look good but who knows. They have been incubating for more than five months now so I am hoping.

What was his suggestion?

 

[jajeanpierre]

What was his suggestion?

He didn't have any. Vague and not answering anything directly. I didn't get the impression he was trying to keep his information secret, but that he was possibly exaggerating his claims. That was my impression but I don't really know.

Are you referring to Steve McNarry? If I remember our conversation, he really couldn't remember how he kept them and didn't really know why his hatched. He was pretty honest with me.

 

[JoeDigiorgio]

He didn't have any. Vague and not answering anything directly. I didn't get the impression he was trying to keep his information secret, but that he was possibly exaggerating his claims. That was my impression but I don't really know.

Are you referring to Steve McNarry? If I remember our conversation, he really couldn't remember how he kept them and didn't really know why his hatched. He was pretty honest with me.

You said something about Joel's suggestion?

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

He didn't have any. Vague and not answering anything directly. I didn't get the impression he was trying to keep his information secret, but that he was possibly exaggerating his claims. That was my impression but I don't really know.

Are you referring to Steve McNarry? If I remember our conversation, he really couldn't remember how he kept them and didn't really know why his hatched. He was pretty honest with me.

I am somewhat certain Jurgen posted pictures of juvenile Capitve Bred Calumma malthe on his "Nice Pictures Thread" thread on the Chameleon Forums that he claimed were his. Closed mouths are typical especially to new faces and Calumma keepers.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

Both species Calumma malthe and Calumma brevicorne captive bred babies were located on page one of Jurgens ~100 page thread "Some Nice Pictures". Further in the thread he claims them as his (Post 42). Here is the link.

https://www.chameleonforums.com/threads/some-nice-pictures.90508/

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

 

[jajeanpierre]

I am somewhat certain Jurgen posted pictures of juvenile Capitve Bred Calumma malthe on his "Nice Pictures Thread" thread on the Chameleon Forums that he claimed were his. Closed mouths are typical especially to new faces and Calumma keepers.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

I got in touch with Jurgen and he bred several generations.

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

I got in touch with Jurgen and he bred several generations.

Yeah there is a group of European breeders that have bred Calumma malthe, Calumma brevicorne, Calumma crypticum, and Calumma hilleniusi. He posted pictures of the adults and juveniles and babies for a couple of years on his thread "Some Nice Pictures". Go through that thread and there is some documentation with information (not to much information) and pictures of all of the species listed above.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

 

[jajeanpierre]

Yeah there is a group of European breeders that have bred Calumma malthe, Calumma brevicorne, Calumma crypticum, and Calumma hilleniusi. He posted pictures of the adults and juveniles and babies for a couple of years on his thread "Some Nice Pictures". Go through that thread and there is some documentation with information (not to much information) and pictures of all of the species listed above.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

Jurgen and I will be talking. We already talk about quads and importing to Europe, so we already have a relationship. Thanks for telling me he was experienced with them.

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

Jurgen and I will be talking. We already talk about quads and importing to Europe, so we already have a relationship. Thanks for telling me he was experienced with them.

Janet

Thanks for listening to what I had to say to you.

Digits crossed that breeders here in the USA/North America start breeding more chameleons from the genus Calumma and Eastern Forest Furcifer species
and follow in the footsteps of some of these of these European breeders or pioneer their own techniques.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

 

[JoeDigiorgio]

Janet

Thanks for listening to what I had to say to you.

Digits crossed that breeders here in the USA/North America start breeding more chameleons from the genus Calumma and Eastern Forest Furcifer species
and follow in the footsteps of some of these of these European breeders or pioneer their own techniques.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

It's hard not to be jealous of the European exotic pet hobby. They're decades or more ahead of us in the US in pretty much every sector I can think of except maybe the breeding of marine ornamentals.

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

It's hard not to be jealous of the European exotic pet hobby. They're decades or more ahead of us in the US in pretty much every sector I can think of except maybe the breeding of marine ornamentals.

Joe

I would not say this is jealousy. This type of progress requires time to develop of Calumma or Furcifer breeding techniques. The breeders in Europe have shown breeding some of these Calumma and some Furcifer species is possible. We just have to pioneer our own techniques and breed these species on this (American) side of the big pond. We have seen results in the five years that we have had the new quotas. Off the top of my head there has been breeding of Calumma nasutum, Calumma brevicorne, and Yellow Lip Calumma parsonii parsonii (had not been hatched in North America since before the new quotas) and Furcifer species such as Furcifer campani, Furcifer bifidus, and Furcifer antimena. These new species all were bred in a five year period since the new quotas have been made. Plus there are other species that American keepers have bred. That is good progress. With more time progress should continue. Europe has had 22 years we have had 5 and have produce good results. That is nothing to make any keepers in North America jealous. I think progress on both side of the pond should continue.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich