1st time calcium suppliment/ new home

SittinOnGold

SittinOnGold

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i went to a new petstore looking for herpivite, calcuium with d3 and calcium without.

i mixed a 1:1 ratio of herpitive and calcium with d3
(about half a little spoon they come with of each)
dusted 6 or 7 crickits heavily
(once i pulled them out of the container with tweesers i hand feed so i blow off as much dust as i can. there is usually a light coat in the crickits cracks and what not.)

mind that i also moved him from his cage into a box with some stickd for about half an hour because i picked up a metal screen cage instead of the mesh that i had. (same size, some crickits chewd out)

i do belive it is a much better setup for him.

but now hes been sitting under his basking light with his eyes closed and mouth open half way.

could this be due to this is the 1st time i dusted crickits with the calcium and herpivite?
could it be dehydration?
too hot?
or could he just be moody that he dosnt know his new environment yet?
thank you i will take pictures of him right now with his new home.
 
What's the temps of your cage? Chams will pant if they get to hot.... fill out the "how to ask for help form" this will let us see what the problem could be
 
Cage Info:
Cage Type - metal screen "38 galon"
Lighting - one 100w basking light 2 75watt uvb light. exoterra.
Temperature - 100 degrees right under the light (though he hasnt sat that close yet. i do understand this is too hot i just need to drill a hole in the sealing for a ring so i can raise the lamp another 3 or 4 inches)
Humidity - between 50-70 day time 30-40 nighttime
Plants -no live plants
Placement - currently in kitchen back corner
Location - cananda

Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - veiled cham supposivly 2 months old...
Handling - every few days
Feeding - 4 or 5 crickits each night. (thinkin about reducin to every 2nd day)
suplements - exoterra calicum with d3 exoterra calcium w.o d3. repcal herpivite
Watering - see him drink from leaves waterfall and dripping water from ice cubes
Fecal Description - black with yellow/tan top

Current Problem - mouth open eyes closed while basking !
is it normal! first that ive seen!
 
you mentioned that you feed at night, better to feed in the morning or early afternoon so the cham will have plenty time to bask and digest the food.

And just take the 100 watt out and use a 40 watt household bulb (not the coil kind) you don't need any fancy basking bulb, having the right temps is far more important.
 
SittinOnGold said:
i mixed a 1:1 ratio of herpitive and calcium with d3
(about half a little spoon they come with of each)
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I'm sure i read on this forum that mixing supplements is not advisable

https://www.chameleonforums.com/mixing-cal-w-d3-calcium-without-d3-15999/

Looking at that thread, Vitamins & calcium may be bad, but calcium With & W/O D3 should be ok if mixed in the right proportions.

I don't think thats why he's sat with his mouth open though, i think its more to do with it being too hot
 
What specifically are you using for UVB ... CFs or linear flourescents?

You may be blinding the little guy. Also gaping can be a sign of overheating or the start of a URI.

Definetely change the basking bulb for a lower wattage incandescent.
 
frankie-gush said:
I'm sure i read on this forum that mixing supplements is not advisable

https://www.chameleonforums.com/mixing-cal-w-d3-calcium-without-d3-15999/

Looking at that thread, Vitamins & calcium may be bad, but calcium With & W/O D3 should be ok if mixed in the right proportions.

I don't think thats why he's sat with his mouth open though, i think its more to do with it being too hot
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thank you for not reading anything i said?

i mixed the calcium with d3 with the herpivite
witch is reccomended right on it.

and the herpivite i have is specially made
something about no vitamain A so you cant cause vatiamaintoxicty.

yeah thats what i was thinking thanks
 
i really feel there is no need to go to a 40 watt,
theres no way he would stay alive,
it is extremly cold where i live.

i think ill just move it up a tad.
 
gwjones777 said:
you mentioned that you feed at night, better to feed in the morning or early afternoon so the cham will have plenty time to bask and digest the food.

And just take the 100 watt out and use a 40 watt household bulb (not the coil kind) you don't need any fancy basking bulb, having the right temps is far more important.
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yeah, thats why im going to starve him today!
(hell be fine lol)

feed him in the afternoons from now on thanks !
 
also how would i coil light make him go blind?
repti 5.0
how is it any different than the tubes?
:confused: :confused:

ppl at the local petstore told me there is no point in buying a tube if i already have coils
:eek:
 
You just don't want to mix the mineral and vitamin dusts and STORE them that way. Over time the ingredients interfere with each other. Mixing them right before use is OK.

Recently, some of the new compact fluorescents (coil lamps) have been shown to cause eye damage in chams. The intensity of the UV light is apparently too high. Linear tube type UV lamps are safer.
 
Don't believe most of what the local pet store told you. Sadly, most of the care information they will give about chams isn't correct. This forum WILL give you good advice.

URI is Upper Respiratory Infection. When a cham has a URI one of the symptoms is sitting dark under the basking light gaping constantly. But, chams will gape if they get too hot. The difference is, a sick cham will tend to be dark colored despite sitting in the heat. They won't move much at all, won't eat or drink, and tend to sit with their head tipped straight up, mouth open, lots of sticky saliva in their mouth, and they will gulp and swallow heavily most of the time. Does that clear it up?
 
SittinOnGold said:
thank you for not reading anything i said?

i mixed the calcium with d3 with the herpivite
witch is reccomended right on it.

and the herpivite i have is specially made
something about no vitamain A so you cant cause vatiamaintoxicty.

yeah thats what i was thinking thanks
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I read everything you said, you obviously didn't read what was in the link, bacause it wasn't just about Cal With & W/O D3, it was about Vitamins also.

Mixing them right before use should be ok, as nothing should interfere with the other, but so not store them that way.

We can't get the rep-cal products here, so i've never seen that it says to mix them.

How do you measure your temps also ?? Digital or Dial Thermo's ?? The 100w bulb at 100f is obviously far too hot, the 75w at 80f would be better for a young cham like you have.
 
the 75watt would reach 80 F about 1 cm from light so it is no good for where i live

i moved the lamp up 4 inches and is a solid 90F
 
Buy a digital one for like ten bucks. So much better. Yours may be off by like ten degrees. Also, how big is your Cham from snout to vent in inches?
 
Something is wrong with those read outs.
I am in a similar climate to you and use a 40 watt house bulb. At roughly 6" away in his basking spot it is 86 degrees measured with a digital thermometer.
I think the dial gauges you are talking about are known to be way off.
It is important for you to get a good thermometer to maintain proper temps.
By the way I tested a 60 watt at the same distance and it was 98-102.(way too hot)
 
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