Andee
Chameleon Enthusiast
Lol sorry, must have not caught the stagnant air thing, I am pretty sure I read this on a stupidly sleep deprived brain which can cause me to react extremely and skip over complete paragraphs. Anyway.
In my opinion wild caughts have a huge advantage over captive bred, but not necessarily in the captive system and definitely not after the import process. Sadly we all know that is a brutal place.
Wild caughts in my opinion have a far better immune system than captive bred who come from a long line of captive breds. The things most wild caughts come in with, most of our captive breds would not be able to successfully live with. The fact is a parasite load on a captive bred will easily get out of control when on a wild caught it is expected for there to be a parasite load and usually the parasites are kept in check by their own immune system until an extreme stress like captivity happens to them. It is similar to the antibacterial and over use of antibiotic discussion. You can't be immune to it if never exposed to it and successfully over coming it. I honestly think the fact that they have access to more natural sources and healthier sources of nutrients and vitamins at all times it is far more beneficial to them.
http://www.store.repashy.com/vitamin-and-mineral-supplements-breaking-it-down.html
The repashy study and many other studies I have read specifically point out the way most people dust on the forum and in general is not an adequate way to deliver vitamins and minerals. Even studies in humans have proven this. Because the very few of us use an all in one vitamin mixture (which is key for all mineral and vitamin supplementation to be absorbed well) many of our chameleons become deficient. Add in fake uvb rays, poorly gutloaded feeder insects, poor individual feeder types so therefore the same recurring calcium to phosphorous ratio over and over, I mean technically with the feeders I raise and regularly buy, if I seriously looked into different studies available on feeder insect nutrient levels. Plus my dry gutload, which is of superior quality compared to most, and if I added a few more veggies into the mix of each individual feeder that is gutloadable... I technically wouldn't have to supplement again. Because with a correct gutload, a good uvb light (which I hope to get an arcadia soon), and the fact that I raise and have access to three naturally high in calcium feeders... I would have a completely rounded diet if I really researched more into it.
It is impossible to find any studies done on supplements used on reptiles and their ability to absorb them. However with humans it is known that unless it is in a liquid form it is only usually about 20% absorbed.
http://mobile.dudasite.com/site/pre...tml&utm_referrer=https://www.google.com/#2732
In my opinion if a good gutload is provided and the correct types of feeders with the correct variety you really shouldn't ever have to supplement... I have no idea if I just went off on a weird tangent or not... Lol sorry my brain is considering options at the moment.
In my opinion wild caughts have a huge advantage over captive bred, but not necessarily in the captive system and definitely not after the import process. Sadly we all know that is a brutal place.
Wild caughts in my opinion have a far better immune system than captive bred who come from a long line of captive breds. The things most wild caughts come in with, most of our captive breds would not be able to successfully live with. The fact is a parasite load on a captive bred will easily get out of control when on a wild caught it is expected for there to be a parasite load and usually the parasites are kept in check by their own immune system until an extreme stress like captivity happens to them. It is similar to the antibacterial and over use of antibiotic discussion. You can't be immune to it if never exposed to it and successfully over coming it. I honestly think the fact that they have access to more natural sources and healthier sources of nutrients and vitamins at all times it is far more beneficial to them.
http://www.store.repashy.com/vitamin-and-mineral-supplements-breaking-it-down.html
The repashy study and many other studies I have read specifically point out the way most people dust on the forum and in general is not an adequate way to deliver vitamins and minerals. Even studies in humans have proven this. Because the very few of us use an all in one vitamin mixture (which is key for all mineral and vitamin supplementation to be absorbed well) many of our chameleons become deficient. Add in fake uvb rays, poorly gutloaded feeder insects, poor individual feeder types so therefore the same recurring calcium to phosphorous ratio over and over, I mean technically with the feeders I raise and regularly buy, if I seriously looked into different studies available on feeder insect nutrient levels. Plus my dry gutload, which is of superior quality compared to most, and if I added a few more veggies into the mix of each individual feeder that is gutloadable... I technically wouldn't have to supplement again. Because with a correct gutload, a good uvb light (which I hope to get an arcadia soon), and the fact that I raise and have access to three naturally high in calcium feeders... I would have a completely rounded diet if I really researched more into it.
It is impossible to find any studies done on supplements used on reptiles and their ability to absorb them. However with humans it is known that unless it is in a liquid form it is only usually about 20% absorbed.
http://mobile.dudasite.com/site/pre...tml&utm_referrer=https://www.google.com/#2732
In my opinion if a good gutload is provided and the correct types of feeders with the correct variety you really shouldn't ever have to supplement... I have no idea if I just went off on a weird tangent or not... Lol sorry my brain is considering options at the moment.
