phantomchameleon
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If so, why is that? And how do they impact their ecosystem?
Im doing a project on Veiled's, so any input would be appreciated.
Im doing a project on Veiled's, so any input would be appreciated.
Are veiled chameleons really an invasive species?
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Sticktongue
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Any species of any kind in the wild, non native is invasive. UNLESS it is put there with the proper paper work, and meant to be put in an area for whatever reason. But when animals as pets are just released, they are invasive. Chameleons, pythons, etc. For example, their are a lot of game birds in the US that are not native, but they are not invasive because they were put here legally. Pheasants, Chukar, Hungarian partridge, Snowcok, etc.
So yes, they are invasive.
brownie64
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Not to get all religious on you but God, or nature if you prefer made things to work like wheels in a spoke. Everything depends on each other for their survival. When something is introduced in to that particular eco system that don't belong it either adds spokes, or takes them away. either one makes the wheel not move correctly. Hope this helps
Chris Anderson
Dr. House of Chameleons
The legality of an introduction has nothing to do with the categorization of an introduced species as invasive or not. An invasive species is an introduced species that has causes harm to the environment, the economy or human health. There are numerous introduced species which are not considered invasive, because they have no known negative impacts on the environment, etc., while other species do and are thus considered invasive. The jury is still out on whether or not C. calyptratus is invasive in Florida or not, simply because there have not been studies on their impact on the native ecosystems.
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Sticktongue
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Thanks for the clarification Chris. My mistake.
leedragon
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I never knew that the term "ivasive species" is due to the damage they do. I uderstood it just as a species that didn´t belong there is intruduced
nightanole
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Id check out some Hawaii stuff. Jackson's are considered a "tolerated" species along with gold dust day geckos. They are small and only produce a few young a year.
Veiled on the other hand are large and produce a TON of babies per year, and are considered invasive.
Jacksons just eat bugs.
Veileds eat the local snail population, along with the numerous small birds and other small reptile species.
Veiled on the other hand are large and produce a TON of babies per year, and are considered invasive.
Jacksons just eat bugs.
Veileds eat the local snail population, along with the numerous small birds and other small reptile species.
ZacharyLeesWife
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Also, for research on invasive species look into the Cuban anoles and Cuban frogs in south Florida. They have both decimated natural species in the area. There's quite a bit of information on those two, short of Hawaii I don't think even South Florida would support a huge enough population of Veileds to be listed invasive. The wild iguana population is MASSIVE but they are vegetarian and not in competition with natives there, so they aren't a problem.
phantomchameleon
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Thank you for your input. It shall be used.
It's actually just a report on invasive species in general, veiled chams I'm using as an example
So any input from people is a source in my teachers eyes
It's actually just a report on invasive species in general, veiled chams I'm using as an example
So any input from people is a source in my teachers eyes
Carlton
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If you want to discuss invasive species in general, my suggestion would be to explain how an introduced species would earn the "invasive" title and why it might never be considered invasive...basically, expand on Chris' answer. There are many good examples to describe....Russian knapweed, purple loosestrife, water hyacinth, kudzu vine, Eucalyptus tree species, cheat grass, the nutria, Norway rat, feral hog, cats, starlings, reticulated pythons, hatchery salmon, mitten crabs, zebra mussels, gypsy moth, all sorts of dramatic situations. As the jury is still out on veileds, explain why and what things could change their status to "invasive". One good reason why their status could change is because they become a major predator on an endangered native butterfly. Or, their aggressive territoriality displaces a less aggressive native lizard. And, invasive isn't just a non-native species either. There are some native species that can become invasive because man's environmental modifications favor them. They start invading habitats they never existed in before. For example, native barred owls are closely related to the native northern spotted owl (which is listed as a threatened species), but they are more aggressive, so they can displace them in western forests that have been altered by logging. There are a number of native plants that are expanding their ranges north or into higher altitudes because of the increased rate of climate warming. Species that never had to compete with these species can be more and more isolated and eventually disappear.
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Carlton
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Just a bit of grammar police here....the correct name for this cham species is either Chamaeleo calyptratus (the accepted scientific name) or veiled chameleon. No apostrophe "s".
phantomchameleon
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Remkon
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What about Yemen chameleon?
In Dutch we call it 'Jemen Kameleon' and have no translation for veiled chameleon that I know off.
Yes, also common name for them. As a side note, you are now tasked with creating the translation for veiled chameleon in Dutch
. We will allow you a week to get back to us.
Remkon
Chameleon Enthusiast
I'm not even sure why yall call it veiledYes, also common name for them. As a side note, you are now tasked with creating the translation for veiled chameleon in Dutch
I assumed it was because of the casque but translating that directly would not make a lot of sense...
Ok... I came up with 'Helm Kameleon'... because the veil is similar to the vin of the Basiliscus basiliscus which is called 'helm basilisk' in Dutch...
After some googling it I found out it's been called that on a few times already... But then I googled some more and found that it's WRONG! and TAKEN! '
Helm Kameleon' is the Dutch name of Chameleo Hoehnelii, also called 'Hoehnel's Kameleon' and we don't want confusion.
So then a more direct translation this would be 'Sluier Kameleon'... A sluier being a piece of cloth worn over the head (you know at your wedding if you are female (or just want to marry that way) or if you cover your head for religious or other reasons)
It could also mean covering, so that would make it 'bedekte kameleon' or hidden 'verborgen kameleon' ...
So ... my best options at this point are:
- Sluier Kameleon
- Haai Kameleon, not mentioned before but you can't deny that the casque looks like a shark's vin and shark = Haai
I really gave this to much thought.
Remkon
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I'm willi g to bet there aren't a lot of people on these forums who got an A from @Nurseaia !
Peachypink
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I'm willi g to bet there aren't a lot of people on these forums who got an A from @Nurseaia !
That's impressive!
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