Can Panthers breed with Veiled?

[insert name here]

I thought on one of the many threads like this someone posted an actual picture of a "Vanther" or "Peiled" chameleon that some zoo bred??? Maybe it was just a good photoshop but I swear I remember that.

 

[joshdhensley]

Nice

Dez,

That is awsome.

 

[jojackson]

I thought on one of the many threads like this someone posted an actual picture of a "Vanther" or "Peiled" chameleon that some zoo bred??? Maybe it was just a good photoshop but I swear I remember that.

I seem to remember a veiled/jacksons photoshop?

 

[Minihuey]

Very interesting thread. I enjoyed reading.

Is this what we are looking for?

Chamaeleo pardalis.


Ha ha ha .. the extent of my photoshop skills

ahhh thats funny!

 

[Dez]

Thanks

 

[codiwatkins]

I thought on one of the many threads like this someone posted an actual picture of a "Vanther" or "Peiled" chameleon that some zoo bred??? Maybe it was just a good photoshop but I swear I remember that.

This si the thread you are talking about!!! It was quit an amusing thread!!
https://www.chameleonforums.com/how-do-you-think-16204/index8.html

I almost positive the person was being sarcastic!!

PS i asked this same question!!LOO

 

[dondeb562]

if u dim the lights and n light some candles... maybe itll work.
i've known people to breed different species of beardies.

I believe you are thinking color mutation, or locale as well since the colors vary by location in the wild as well. It is not considered another species....

 

[jojackson]

I believe you are thinking color mutation, or locale as well since the colors vary by location in the wild as well. It is not considered another species....

Different Sub species have been crossed. Pogona Vitticept x Pogona barbata

Pogona minima x pogona henrylawsonii

All still 1 species, different subspecies

Intrestingly I recently saw the result of accidental breeding between a common bluetongue skink Teliqua scincoids and a shingleback shink Teliqua rugosa aspera, the two couldnt more different! (see below) They were housed in outdoor pit and not expected to mate, but chose to anyway. Female shingleback, male bluetongue. Bluetongues produce around 10-13 live young
shinglebacks produce a max of 2 every second year, but more frequently just one. The offspring was a lone baby.

shingleback'

bluetongue

Result was lizard with the skin texture of the shingleback, but the head shape and long slender tail of the bluetongue. Very weird looking. Since the owner said he had no intention of allowing it to breed further, we may never know if it is actually capable or not. I didnt think to take pics but my mate was intrigued enought to, so if you care enough, I can pursue him for the image/s for you.

*note above animals are not the actual animals that bred, simply an example of each.

 

[eisentrauti]

Can it be done? ---- High possibility (my opinion)

Is it practical? ---- No. (too much time, too expensive, unfair to any offspring born defective)

Should you do it? No (again I'm not assuming you are, just my opinion)

can it be done ? no !

 

[Chris Anderson]

Joe - The bearded dragon example shows different species, not subspecies, all in the same genus. Pogona is the genus. Same with the skink exampls.

Chris

 

[hallenhe]

Does any one know the chromosome counts of Chamaeleo calyptratis and Furcifer pardalis? (I've looked a bit, but can't find anything.) Infertile intergeneric hybrids have been reported (red fox Vulpes fulva x Arctic fox Alopex lagopus - see this article, page 5) - however, this may reflect more that human taxonomists have drawn generic boundaries incorrectly, and placed the Arctic fox in a separate genus when genetically it should be in Vulpes.

 

[laurie]

Flame defense. please dont use my humour to be nasty. Your 'short-bus' refrence is offensive to me, no matter how common in popular culture.
Atleast qualify it with a big green smiley before people go nuclear ok.

What is a "short-bus in reference to? I don't keep up like all you guys do.

 

[Metric]

can it be done ? no !

read page 2.

 

[Lizardlover]

What is a "short-bus in reference to? I don't keep up like all you guys do.

A bus mentally challenged people ride.

Anywho has anyone seen the photo in the gallery of the panther and veild courting.

 

[jojackson]

Joe - The bearded dragon example shows different species, not subspecies, all in the same genus. Pogona is the genus. Same with the skink exampls.

Chris

You are correct, Pogona is the genus. However many here argue that different 'species' that are close geographically are actually subspecies,
yet all are genus Pogona. for example vitticep and barbata overlap geographically and while they have been classified as two diff sp. in the past, taxonomy here is constantly changed , and some consider the eastern form
p.barbata to be a subspecies of vitticep and lobby for taxon change.

Like wise Boyd’s Forest Dragon is now Hypsilurus boydii formerly(Gonocephalus boydii). Within the genus Hypsilurus are two forms lowland and highland (distinctively different breeding/clutch size etc) but considered
the same species, but it too is in contention.

Hence my lax use of 'sub-species'. sorry for the confusion. I should have said 'species' for clarity but it highlights the fact that at the end of the day, they are whatever decide they should be called, based on the best genetic info to hand, and that is sometimes proven incorrect apon new genetic research. The bushmaster snake of costa rica comes to mind. (once thought to be a single species until later genetic research proved them to be three distinct species.

Originally Posted by laurie
What is a "short-bus in reference to? I don't keep up like all you guys do.

short bus
1. noun. (derogetory) school bus shorter in length than a conventional school bus commonly used to transport students with physical or mental handicaps.

2. adjective. (derogetory) describes student who rides such a bus. See also, special.

3. adjective. (derogetory) lacking in mental capacity, or stupid. See also retarded.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=short+bus

I find disparaging connototions used against those who cant defend themselves to be ignorant, cruel and very distatful, not to mention emotionally weak. The use of such terms becoming 'acceptable' in language makes no difference to me.
Likewise the term retarded is much abused in the same way and equally offensive. Such terms are much like the use of sarcasm, if not worse. They show the user to have a poor vocabulary and to be incapable of expressing themselves coherantly, and further I beleive, to have little self esteem themselves.
Youngsters calling something they dislike 'Gay' is another example of lack of vocabulary and expression that pisses me off no end, especially coupled with the notorious lack of literacy these days.

*note: excepting my remarks about the use of 'short bus', none of the above refers to the person who said that.

rant/explanation done!

 

[luevelvet]

People try it with snakes all quite often.

Ball/Woma
Ball/Carpet
Ball/Burmese
Ball/Blood
Burm/Rectic
Morelia/Chondro's

They often fail to breed the offspring of such pairings as the eggs tend to be infertile but a few have had success with F2's.

How it relates to our world, well, I don't know. I've seen Furcifer crosses but I'm not sure if anyone has tried cross genera breeding.

Luis

 

[reyesjoshuacruz]

Furcifer crosses, where did you see that?

I remember one. but are there others?

 

[Lizardlover]

The new chameleon handbook....3rd ed. It shows pardalis antimena hybrids.

 

[Chris Anderson]

The new chameleon handbook....3rd ed. It shows pardalis antimena hybrids.

I believe it speculates that F. angeli may actually be a F. pardalis x F. antimena hybrid. This is not fact, only theory. F. angeli is its own species at this point and I do not believe there is any evidence to the contrary at this point.

Chris

 

[Lizardlover]

I believe it speculates that F. angeli may actually be a F. pardalis x F. antimena hybrid. This is not fact, only theory. F. angeli is its own species at this point and I do not believe there is any evidence to the contrary at this point.

Chris

Oh yeah that's correct, I do know it had pics of a hybrid in It, I believe, if the hybrid is fertile and capable of reproducing it can be classified as a new species.