Can Panthers breed with Veiled?

[Chris Anderson]

I believe, if the hybrid is fertile and capable of reproducing it can be classified as a new species.

No, that isn't how it works. The biological species concept is not always accurate and there are problems with it. In the case of the biological species concept, the fertile hybrid would not be a new species but rather the two species that hybridized would be the same species. This is an error in logic a lot of the time and one of the problems with the biological species concept. There are dozens of species concepts, however, and none are perfect.

Chris

 

[Kent67]

I believe it speculates that F. angeli may actually be a F. pardalis x F. antimena hybrid. This is not fact, only theory. F. angeli is its own species at this point and I do not believe there is any evidence to the contrary at this point.

Chris

The book has a photo of what is supposed to be a deceased F. antimena x verrucosus (overlapping ranges) and speculates that F. angeli may be a hybrid of F. pardalis and F. rhinoceratus, due to their overlapping ranges (F. antimena and F. pardalis don't.)

 

[Chris Anderson]

The book has a photo of what is supposed to be a deceased F. antimena x verrucosus (overlapping ranges) and speculates that F. angeli may be a hybrid of F. pardalis and F. rhinoceratus, due to their overlapping ranges (F. antimena and F. pardalis don't.)

Thanks for the clarification, Kent. Does the book have any evidence for either other then conjecture? At least with the speculation of Ch. calyptratus calcarifer being a hybrid between Ch. calyptratus and Ch. arabicus, captive hybridization has yielded offspring that look like Ch. calyptratus calcarifer. I know of no such examination of F. antimena x F. verrucosus or F. rhinoceratus x F. pardalis.

Chris

 

[Kent67]

Hi Chris, unfortunately I didn't have a chance to search for any evidence of these hybrids in the book before I took it to the Super Show and forgot to get it back from Chad. I'm definitely going to need another copy soon. Maybe he could tell us....

 

[Lizardlover]

No, that isn't how it works. The biological species concept is not always accurate and there are problems with it. In the case of the biological species concept, the fertile hybrid would not be a new species but rather the two species that hybridized would be the same species. This is an error in logic a lot of the time and one of the problems with the biological species concept. There are dozens of species concepts, however, and none are perfect.

Chris

it's all coming back to me now.... I knew it was something that didn't make slot of sense...and as Kent said that about the hybrid I remember it now too.

 

[reyesjoshuacruz]

thanks kent, save me a dig!

 

[eisentrauti]

When I read the hole thread I have doubts that everybody here has had biology in school

 

[Lizardlover]

I guess I'm ahead of the game then....I havnt even had biology yet.