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It seems that a lot of the problem comes if you start feeding them to animals that are otherwise unhealthy. For animals that are healthy, I don't think it is bad in moderation but I wouldn't recommend it regularly. Chameleons will eat vertebrates in the wild if they can find them but generally they are healthy animals that have a very balanced diet. In captivity we tend to have fat animals that have had histories of hydration issues (thus kidney damage) and then we start giving them large amounts of vertebrate prey items and it can exacerbate other problems.

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Brad Ramsey said:
In this thread you recommend feeding pinkies to a chameleon at least 3 times, yet you have only ever fed one to your one and only chameleon.

-Brad
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I have heard people on here talk about it being a contraversial subject and say how some people don't recommend it while others give one to their females once a month without issues. I am relaying information that I have heard in the 7-8 months that I have been on these forums. I do read almost every new thread. Isn't that what we are supposed to do? Relay information that we have heard from experienced people even if we have not had much experience with the subject ourselves?

Many veterinarians, if they run into a question that they do not know too much about, will research the topic so they can better answer the question. Do you think people bother them because they have not experienced the situation first hand?

Personally, and this is just my opinion, I do not think you like me very much and even though I only have one chameleon and have only had one chameleon for 7 months it does NOT mean I do not know what I am talking about because believe it or not I have done a lot of research on these forums and off and I am new to chameleons, not reptiles. How do you think you learned everything you know? By research, experience, and trial and error. I am not saying I know everything there is to know, I don't think anyone could ever know EVERYTHING there is to know. But I am not as incompetant as you make me out to be Brad.
 
Understood. I offered them up to my guys because I saw some pinkies at the last NARBC show in Anaheim and the person I purchased from gave all of his remaining pinkies to me for the cost of two.... (last day of the show) so I shared with other local keepers who wanted them and only ended up feeding maybe three or four of them off. It was interesting to me the chams who turned them down.... One veiled wanted one, the other didn't. Two melleri wanted them the others wanted nothing to do with them.... my male panther had one I think.... I just thought there would be more interest. :rolleyes:
 
superworms scare me...the one time we bought them we ended up tossing them out the front door...now I'm afraid to leave my house.
 
Well, that would certainly make them less scary...though, to be honest, I was afraid of them in the bag. I think the kid at LLL was confused when I said "superworms"... he gave me these gigantic monster worms. They have a size "super"...I think he gave me super superworms. I didn't realize it until I was in the car. I swear, they were bigger than my little girl!!
 
Elizadolots said:
Well, that would certainly make them less scary...though, to be honest, I was afraid of them in the bag. I think the kid at LLL was confused when I said "superworms"... he gave me these gigantic monster worms. They have a size "super"...I think he gave me super superworms. I didn't realize it until I was in the car. I swear, they were bigger than my little girl!!
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Haha yes they are huge! Molly just got some donated to her that I have to cut in half to feed to her LOL!
... it makes me wince...
 
Elizadolots said:
Well, that would certainly make them less scary...though, to be honest, I was afraid of them in the bag. I think the kid at LLL was confused when I said "superworms"... he gave me these gigantic monster worms. They have a size "super"...I think he gave me super superworms. I didn't realize it until I was in the car. I swear, they were bigger than my little girl!!
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superworms are kinda big.... which LLL did you go to? Oside? or escon?
 
has any1 been biten by a superworm? I use twezers 2 pick them up and they always curl around and bite them!

How big r these super superworm? I want some! The ones in the uk that i buy are around a inch or so long.
 
Escondido. I'm in Tierrasanta so it's just about a 20 minute drive...not close enough for feeders, but I was buying new cages so thought, why not get some worms?

Everyone says the superworms are great feeders! YIKES!!! I actually put 2 in a cup in my male's cage (he's bigger)....one went missing before I decided to toss the other. Days later we were having guests over for dinner and I saw this monster worm crawling up the cage...I nudged my husband and pointed it out...while I went for a paper towel, he tried to get the thing off the cage wall...he had to use tools. He cussed. He asked "what the H ! are these things?"..it was one of those scenes that's funny even when you are going through it.
 
justjumpit621 said:
I have heard people on here talk about it being a contraversial subject and say how some people don't recommend it while others give one to their females once a month without issues. I am relaying information that I have heard in the 7-8 months that I have been on these forums. I do read almost every new thread. Isn't that what we are supposed to do? Relay information that we have heard from experienced people even if we have not had much experience with the subject ourselves?

Many veterinarians, if they run into a question that they do not know too much about, will research the topic so they can better answer the question. Do you think people bother them because they have not experienced the situation first hand?

Personally, and this is just my opinion, I do not think you like me very much and even though I only have one chameleon and have only had one chameleon for 7 months it does NOT mean I do not know what I am talking about because believe it or not I have done a lot of research on these forums and off and I am new to chameleons, not reptiles. How do you think you learned everything you know? By research, experience, and trial and error. I am not saying I know everything there is to know, I don't think anyone could ever know EVERYTHING there is to know. But I am not as incompetant as you make me out to be Brad.
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It is a controversial subject and I do not agree with feeding pinkies to chameleons. I think it is REALLY important that you have a LOT of personal experience with this type of practice before you start recommending ... regurgitating what you have read from other forum members can be a dangerous practice, especially when you are so insistent (3 posts) and have nothing else (personal experience, practical research, etc.) to back up your claim.
None of this has anything to do with whether or not I like you.

Furthermore, it seems you did not consider the age/size of the original poster's chameleon.

If you had posted something like, "I fed my female a pinkie once, and she seemed to like it" I would have responded differently.

-Brad
 
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justjumpit621 said:
..... I do read almost every new thread. Isn't that what we are supposed to do? Relay information that we have heard from experienced people even if we have not had much experience with the subject ourselves?

Many veterinarians, if they run into a question that they do not know too much about, will research the topic so they can better answer the question. Do you think people bother them because they have not experienced the situation first hand?....
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I think the safer bet is to not regurgitate what you hear/read on the forums but to link to it instead. Unless you are very confident in what you know, no mater how you learned it, point people to the information and let them decide for themselves.

The vet example is a bad one because vets refer, research, and read material that is a bit more scholarly than the internet forums where a lot of the information is just regurgitated stuff. A great example of that is the general notion that you can only keep chameleons in screen enclosures.

Does that mean that vet's are always correct? No.
 
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