Small world. Terry of Feeder Bugs at the shows delivers my crickets to my door!
Dehydrated, lethargic chams
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Small world. Terry of Feeder Bugs at the shows delivers my crickets to my door!
That's cool. I usually make the Noblesville show since it is close. I go to the Indy show when I am wanting supplies I don't want to pay shipping. Are you on the indy classified forum that they started? Its nice as alot of the people from the shows are on it and you can advertise without being flagged on craigslist.
It's nice as you can get in touch with the local vendors and breeders...
http://indianareptileclassifieds.freeforums.org/
http://indianareptileclassifieds.freeforums.org/
My little girl passed tonight. We new it was inevitable. She was so weak and would try to hard to climb to me and collapse in my hand. We made the choice to let her come home where I could hold her and comfort her until she took her last breath.
We will know what happened once the necropsy of our little boy comes back. Thank you all for your help.
~Robin~
We will know what happened once the necropsy of our little boy comes back. Thank you all for your help.
~Robin~
PantherEnvy
Avid Member
I am sorry for your loss.
Carlton
Chameleon Enthusiast
So sorry Robin!
I know this hasn't come up in all the posts, but I kept looking back at your pics thinking how TINY they were for their age. Were they from the same clutch? One common parent? A second clutch from retained sperm? If so, it got me thinking there might have been some major metabolic problem or organ defect interfering with their ability to absorb nutrients which stunted them and could have sealed their fates despite all anyone could do for them. They were sold to you extremely young...and we know that a small percentage of many clutches just don't survive past a couple of months.
Thank you so much everyone for you care, advice and support during this difficult time. I don't believe they were from the same clutch or parents... but they were from the same breeder.
Having ever had chams I thought they were slow to grow... I would see other pictures of veils on the forum and think they must have just been very close up shots or older chams.. But when I saw that JannB's new baby Sadie weighed more then mine and mine were twice Sadies age.. I was very concerned! Within days we had an eye issue in one... then everything just went downhill so fast from there.
I am very anxious to get the necropsy back so we can see what happened. From previously working with animal rescue and being a vet tech I am fanatical about anything being spread so I tend to over clean animal areas. I am so hopeful this is something that can not be spread to my other reptiles. It hurt to have to send one off knowing what would be done in a necropsy and to have to bury the other baby in the cold frozen ground.
Having ever had chams I thought they were slow to grow... I would see other pictures of veils on the forum and think they must have just been very close up shots or older chams.. But when I saw that JannB's new baby Sadie weighed more then mine and mine were twice Sadies age.. I was very concerned! Within days we had an eye issue in one... then everything just went downhill so fast from there.
I am very anxious to get the necropsy back so we can see what happened. From previously working with animal rescue and being a vet tech I am fanatical about anything being spread so I tend to over clean animal areas. I am so hopeful this is something that can not be spread to my other reptiles. It hurt to have to send one off knowing what would be done in a necropsy and to have to bury the other baby in the cold frozen ground.
mychamtini112012
New Member
I am so sorry to hear all this. I hope the necropsy brings back answers and a closure for you.
Thank you. We were hoping for the necropsy report to be back Friday but it wasn't. The vet called the place in CA where the necropsy is being done and they said they should have it middle of the week.
I feel whatever happened shouldn't have happened. Something went wrong somewhere. I just need to make sure everyone else is safe at this point.
I will let let everyone know what the report finds. Thanks you all so much again.
I feel whatever happened shouldn't have happened. Something went wrong somewhere. I just need to make sure everyone else is safe at this point.
I will let let everyone know what the report finds. Thanks you all so much again.
Zen Reptiles
Avid Member
Sorry for the losses, it's always a real bugger to lose a pet this way 
I did not read all 6 pages of this, and I'm sorry I missed this earlier...but...
I will be interested to see the necropsy results. The temperatures you were keeping them at were far too low, especially for veileds. They should have had a basking spot to allow 90F-95F at the highest temp. point. I know it is hard to keep it the right temperature when they are only that age, but 80F is still too low, even my 2-3 month old panthers are allowed 85F.
Lower temperatures (70-80) can cause any pre-existing parasites to take a hold of them.
Like I said, necropsy will be interesting, but I would hypothesize that the lower temperatures were the indirect cause of the direct cause.
Also, were you using tap water? I had responded to a thread last month I believe about the tap water in Indiana having high Trihalomethanes and that the EPA does not test for hundreds of other chemicals that they should..
I did not read all 6 pages of this, and I'm sorry I missed this earlier...but...
I will be interested to see the necropsy results. The temperatures you were keeping them at were far too low, especially for veileds. They should have had a basking spot to allow 90F-95F at the highest temp. point. I know it is hard to keep it the right temperature when they are only that age, but 80F is still too low, even my 2-3 month old panthers are allowed 85F.
Lower temperatures (70-80) can cause any pre-existing parasites to take a hold of them.
Like I said, necropsy will be interesting, but I would hypothesize that the lower temperatures were the indirect cause of the direct cause.
Also, were you using tap water? I had responded to a thread last month I believe about the tap water in Indiana having high Trihalomethanes and that the EPA does not test for hundreds of other chemicals that they should..
mychamtini112012
New Member
Sorry for the losses, it's always a real bugger to lose a pet this way
I did not read all 6 pages of this, and I'm sorry I missed this earlier...but...
I will be interested to see the necropsy results. The temperatures you were keeping them at were far too low, especially for veileds. They should have had a basking spot to allow 90F-95F at the highest temp. point. I know it is hard to keep it the right temperature when they are only that age, but 80F is still too low, even my 2-3 month old panthers are allowed 85F.
Lower temperatures (70-80) can cause any pre-existing parasites to take a hold of them.
Like I said, necropsy will be interesting, but I would hypothesize that the lower temperatures were the indirect cause of the direct cause.
Also, were you using tap water? I had responded to a thread last month I believe about the tap water in Indiana having high Trihalomethanes and that the EPA does not test for hundreds of other chemicals that they should..
90-95F for a veiled.? All I have heard for veileds is 78-82 for females and around 85-90 for males. Never that high. 80 I would say would be just fine. And not the indirect cause to the direct cause of their deaths. Female are supposed to be lower anyway to help them from not making a large clutch. This is what I have read and been told by many members anyway. My female veiled is between the 78-82 range and she is fine.
