For everyone who KNOWS you can't keep chams in glass

showjet95 said:
Exo Terras are perfect. I use them for all my super rare chams and they do amazing in them and it keeps the humidity up and they are very aesthetically pleasing when fully planted. The other terrarium companies tanks I feel are not as nice to look at if thats a concern, and doesnt have such a clean organized look when multiple tanks are lined up, especially with the stands. They just look like some slabs of glass glued together. But thats just my worthless opinion:)
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Well, I wont fight about taste, but a protean glass terrarium looks way better than those cheap looking exo terra tanks, half plastic half glass, with front doors which didnt close enough to put any small insect in ;)
Another example is a cage like this
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which looks like a Ferrari compared to a Golf
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Chris Anderson said:
There is a widespread negative stigma and general misconception, particularly amongst US chameleon keepers, that you can not keep chameleons in glass enclosures. I thought I'd make this post to hopefully dispel that myth and talk about the use of glass enclosures for chameleons.

First, I'd like to differentiate between aquariums and glass terrariums. Aquariums are designed to hold water and keep fish. They are not designed for airflow and even with screen tops, a large portion of the aquarium get very poor airflow. Glass terrariums are not designed to keep fish and are designed for airflow. They typically have wire mesh venting at the top of the enclosure and venting at the bottom. These vents create a chimney effect where as air warms in the enclosure, it rises drawing fresh air into the enclosure through the vent at the bottom of the enclosure. Thus, the enclosure is designed for airflow throughout the enclosure.

Aquariums are not good chameleon enclosures. While some terrestrial species (pygmy chameleons) can be kept in them, this is simply because they live close to the ground and the top of the enclosure is not far from the bottom of the cage and some airflow is being exchanged. For arboreal species, however, the distance between the source of fresh air and the bottom of the cage is larger and thus, it is not ideal for chameleons.

Breeders in Europe have kept many chameleon species in glass terrariums for decades with excellent results. In the US, glass terrariums have not been commercially available until recently. Up until this point, a glass enclosure meant an aquarium and the majority of US keepers didn't know the distinction between glass terrariums and glass aquariums, glass was glass.

A couple years ago I was introduced to the Exo-Terra Glass Terrariums at a show while I was helping Mike at FL Chams. Mike decided to pick one up as a display enclosure for his Brookesia stumpffi and over the next year I was impressed by how they ended up doing in it and how simple caring for them in these enclosures was. I was so impressed, in fact, I started to wonder if you could keep more arboreal species in them so a year ago, I got a couple and started keeping Rhampholeon spinosus in them since they are a more arboreal pygmy that is typically kept in screen enclosures. I liked how they did so I then decided to try raising baby true chameleons in them. The Rh. spinosus have been in these enclosures for a year now and are doing great. The babies I raised in them did very well and are now in new homes.

While raising a couple clutches of babies in the Exo-Terra Glass Terrariums, I decided to start trying adults of some of the smaller montane species. I gradually started keeping more and more species in them and I've been completely pleased with the results. All the adults I have in them look great and seem very happy. It has now progressed and this is part of my montane setup:

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In these enclosures I am keeping a variety of Rhampholeon, Brookesia, Bradypodion, Trioceros and Kinyongia species. I have enclosures of the following dimensions: 12x12x18" (for newborn baby chameleons), 18x18x18" (for terrestrial pygmy species and older babies), 36x18x18" (for terrestrial pygmy species and older babies), 18x18x24" (for adult arboreal species), and 36x18x24" (currently housing a Boelen's Python but I may get more to house slightly larger arboreal species). Size wise, I have up to adult male T. montium in the 18x18x24" enclosures and would consider slightly larger species in the 36x18x24" model. I have all of them fully planted with organic soil over a layer of drainage, just like you would plant a typical pygmy enclosure, and I couldn't be more pleased with how everyone looks.

One thing that is very important to note, however, is that when you use these types of enclosures, you do have to change your husbandry. When I kept my montane species in screen enclosures or even in enclosures with 3 solid sides, I misted heavily multiple times a day. in these enclosures, I mist every enclosure for a minute or two once a day and that is it. Because these enclosures hold humidity much better, the chameleons don't need to be watered as much and if you do, you risk fungal and respiratory infections. Even with misting only a single time a day in these enclosures, I've had excellent success with species with high water requirements and babies.

Anyway, these terrariums aren't for every species but for smaller montane species, I'm very pleased with them. I'm now trying to find a terrarium large enough to house C. parsonii.

Chris
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Thank you for the information Chris.. I will definitely consider using glass terrariums. I may even purchasse one at during the up-coming reptile show
 
Protean tanks are definitely better looking all around and can be customized which is nice. I always thought it was a gamble dealing with Jason though from his reviews on Fauna BOI and actually watching him handle issues on Fauna BOI. Great looking work he does though.Probably the best Ive ever seen. Now he's a sponsor i might give them a shot.
 
If you can't get a glass place to do it you can DIY. I drilled one similar to an exo-terra for Tesla's juvenile cage. I used a hand drill and a glass/tile bit that I bought from home depot for 10 dollars. Youtube has some decent DIY glass drilling videos to learn from, just try to find a piece to practice on before you make the real holes. I keep one end of the enclosure elevated a few degrees using a strip of cardboard that drains water to the other side and out the 2 holes I made. Works great.
 
more info

Thank You ColdbloodedAl
Where do I buy this stuff? Have no clue what this stuff is, first time I ever hear of this.
Thank You
 
Mohawk said:
Thank You ColdbloodedAl
Where do I buy this stuff? Have no clue what this stuff is, first time I ever hear of this.
Thank You
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LECA= lightweight expanded clay aggregate( basically little clay pellets). You can find this at any hydroponics store. Ive heard home depot carrys it but never seem it there myself. Or you can order it online. Joshfrogs(site sponsor) sells all this stuff.
Substrate can be tons of different things. Organic soil(no fertilizer or foam pellets or pesticides), coco fiber, sand/soil combo. I use ABG mix that joshsfrogs sells.. Its a mixture of a bunch of things and was developed for the Atlanta botanical gardens(ABG). It can be pricey but worth it imo.
substrate divider and be just simple plastic/fiberglass screen. Some terrarium/vivarium websites sell a different material they call substate dividers. Screen works fine though.

Hope that helps :)
 
I know this is an old topic but it came to my mind when I thought about something:

How does one deal with the problem of the Chameleons seeing its own reflection on the glass? I've heard they can stress out if the glass starts to act like a mirror (when you have a darker light outside of the enclosure I think)
 
Exo terra

Would be awesome if exo terra built an all screen with glass front PVC bottom would put it all to rest the best of both worlds lol......
 
zepedrowdp said:
I know this is an old topic but it came to my mind when I thought about something:

How does one deal with the problem of the Chameleons seeing its own reflection on the glass? I've heard they can stress out if the glass starts to act like a mirror (when you have a darker light outside of the enclosure I think)
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I have kept them in enclosures that use glass or plexiglass. They've never pawed at the glass, noticed a reflection or in any other way had a negative response whatsoever.
But I should think it is entirely possible to create a mirror - one would just have to ensure they didnt dark back the glass in that way
 
good call

good call coldbloodedal i do understand however i also believe it does depend on the personality and age of the chameleon just my opinion i am new and love to hear everyones ideas and i take everything into consideration especially due to my lack of inexperience thanks for giving me something to think about!!!
 
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