Free range

[MissSkittles]

One of the signs of illness in chameleons is being low or on the ground rather than up high and basking. You say that you often find the senegals on the ground. Perhaps they are feeling the effects of not having any uvb. Your others may be climbing up trying to find a uvb source. The cards may say they are for reptiles, but Zoo Med says their chameleon kit is all your chameleon needs, and has been responsible for the deformities and deaths of untold numbers of chameleons.
We haven’t even asked how you are giving them their needed supplements, which are also very needed for their survival in captivity.
We all want you to succeed in your keeping of these magnificent and magical animals and are trying to help in that. I do really hope that you’re taking our advice to heart.

 

[jpm995]

Appreciate all the advice. Currently I dust the feeders with calcium powder [without d3 mostly, with d3 once a month]. Not really sure how effective as I don't know how long it sticks to the feeders.

 

[ERKleRose]

Appreciate all the advice. Currently I dust the feeders with calcium powder [without d3 mostly, with d3 once a month]. Not really sure how effective as I don't know how long it sticks to the feeders.

I know @kinyonga has kept senegals before, so she can give you a proper supplement schedule, but are you using a multivitamin? Does the calcium have phosphorus in it? Lastly, are you gutloading the feeders?

For your dwarf fishers, it seems on your previous threads they were determined to be K. Boehmei. Both @snitz427 and @Sonny13 have experience with them, so I’d stick to the supplement schedule they suggest!
Here’s Chameleon Academy’s quick care guide on them, as well: https://chameleonacademy.com/wp-con...-sheet-Böhmes-Two-horned-Chameleon-012821.pdf

 

[jpm995]

Here's some pics of male and female Bohmes. Never noticed so much white on the male.

 

[jpm995]

Female. Funny i said their never on the ame side of GH. He's heading her way. At the pace he's going he may be there in about an hour.

 

[jpm995]

I know @kinyonga has kept senegals before, so she can give you a proper supplement schedule, but are you using a multivitamin? Does the calcium have phosphorus in it? Lastly, are you gutloading the feeders?

For your dwarf fishers, it seems on your previous threads they were determined to be K. Boehmei. Both @snitz427 and @Sonny13 have experience with them, so I’d stick to the supplement schedule they suggest!
Here’s Chameleon Academy’s quick care guide on them, as well: https://chameleonacademy.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/care-sheet-Böhmes-Two-horned-Chameleon-012821.pdf

Thank you so much. Been to Cham Academy site but didn't notice the Bohmes pdf. I'll look it up. My normal dusting is Repashy Calcium + with vitamins. I usually buy crickets from store, dust them and put them directly in feeder buckets with 'cricket crack' made by local store, some spinach and Flukers Cricket Quencher. The extras just get dumped around the greenhouse. If the chams aren't around i guess they eat later.

 

[ERKleRose]

Thank you so much. Been to Cham Academy site but didn't notice the Bohmes pdf. I'll look it up. My normal dusting is Repashy Calcium + with vitamins. I usually buy crickets from store, dust them and put them directly in feeder buckets with 'cricket crack' made by local store, some spinach and Flukers Cricket Quencher. The extras just get dumped around the greenhouse. If the chams aren't around i guess they eat later.

No problem! Once you get your uvb in check, you’ll want to switch out the CalciumPlus for CalciumPlus LoD (it has a jacksons chameleon on the label). I do believe senegals and boehmei have different supplement schedules, but I’d wait for the tagged people to chime in. If they do, you’ll need to figure out a way to make sure you’re only supplementing the species that needs it and not the other. You’re going to want to gutload for longer than that, at least overnight (not dusted until you go to feed them off), before feeding off the crickets. Also, spinach is not good, it binds calcium. I’ve attached a gutload guide below to help you out! If you buy crickets online (Ghann’s Crickets is exceptional, they never have any dead when I buy from them, and they live so much longer than any other place I’ve ever bought from!), they’re much cheaper, come in bigger quantities, and are healthier! Pet store crickets are more likely to carry parasites. For enrichment, you can put moth and fly pupae around the greenhouse and wait for them to pupate, chams LOVE them! Waxworm moths (just make sure they don’t escape, they’re invasive), black soldier flies, blue and green bottle flies, and houseflies are all super accessible to get (and are small enough for your chams)! Painted lady butterflies are probably too big, and hornworm and silkworm moths are definitely way too big. I also threw in a feeder chart as well, the more variety, the better!

 

[jpm995]

Well he reached his destination. They met briefly, he got very dark, her not so much, they grabbed hands and he backed off. Wife called me in for dinner but now there about a foot apart apparently ignoring each other. Here's a pic of the meeting.

 

[kinyonga]

You said…”Right now it has a mourning gecko in it. i may release him into the greenhouse at some point.” …are you sure it’s a him? They reproduce through parthenogenesis you know….and males are rare.
You might like to read these…
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0944200608000287
https://malcolmtattersall.com.au/wp/2016/12/mourning-gecko/

Regarding the Senegals, I treated them like veileds when it came to supplementing.

 

[Sonny13]

I know @kinyonga has kept senegals before, so she can give you a proper supplement schedule, but are you using a multivitamin? Does the calcium have phosphorus in it? Lastly, are you gutloading the feeders?

For your dwarf fishers, it seems on your previous threads they were determined to be K. Boehmei. Both @snitz427 and @Sonny13 have experience with them, so I’d stick to the supplement schedule they suggest!
Here’s Chameleon Academy’s quick care guide on them, as well: https://chameleonacademy.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/care-sheet-Böhmes-Two-horned-Chameleon-012821.pdf

I love this species, my favorite. The dusting always troubled me as well, because mine hated to eat from from a cup or whatsoever, and ate mostly free range. Still he’s 4+ years which is pretty old for them.

 

[kinyonga]

@Sonny13 said…”I love this species, my favorite.”…one of my favorites too. Chamaeleo chamaeleon is another favorite of mine. Both species relatively “plain” in colouration…but I like their personalities.

 

[jpm995]

You said…”Right now it has a mourning gecko in it. i may release him into the greenhouse at some point.” …are you sure it’s a him? They reproduce through parthenogenesis you know….and males are rare.
You might like to read these…
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0944200608000287
https://malcolmtattersall.com.au/wp/2016/12/mourning-gecko/

Regarding the Senegals, I treated them like veileds when it came to supplementing.

Yes it's more than likely a female. I can't even find her in the cage, i'll never see her again if i let her out.

 

[Sonny13]

@Sonny13 said…”I love this species, my favorite.”…one of my favorites too. Chamaeleo chamaeleon is another favorite of mine. Both species relatively “plain” in colouration…but I like their personalities.

True, true and true

 

[snitz427]

Apologies - late to the party and have not read the whole thread. I dust once a month with reptical d3 and once a month with multivit (cant recall name… white bottle with leo on front). My kb dont get natural uvb, only d3 from their lights.