Gaping- URI (respiratory) suspected - Baytril advice needed

Franquixote

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I'm thinking proactively, no signs of an infection except gaping and I am lowering temps- this is going on less than 24 hours, but I'm on top of things 24/7. Cage is not ventilated enough, which I am working on rectifying ASAP. I thought he was gaping due to large hornworms, but today he didn't get any big ones and is gaping.

Cut to the chase, I don't have any exotic vets available but Baytril can be purchased online. For those that have used it, was it compounded into a liquid and if so do you know the correct dosage? I have a scale so can measure both meds and chameleon accurately. Wondering if it was tablets crushed up and given orally or is given as an injection.

His feces indicate decent hydration but a tiny bit of mucus that I don't like the look of (clear).
Eating normally, he is given silks, hornworms, crickets, dubia, orange head, and waxworms with occasional BBFs and snails, all raised by me and gutloaded to precision. Crickets are from Josh's supplier but I have had them for several weeks and all other feeders are 2nd generation or so and therefore parasites unlikely. He does not go outdoors and is not handled by anyone other than me, and then only for a few seconds to move him from top of the cage to a branch to feed/mist. My mister is set to go off for 30 seconds 4-5 times per day.
UV is Arcadia 12 (single bulb). Basking bulb is on a dimmer (I just turned it down). Using a temp gun to check for hot spots, everything seems good. Jungle Dawn 40W plant bulb also in use.

Bottom line- what's the dosage of Baytril and is it usually oral or injected?
 
I called the vet and he wanted like $40 just to see him, and I am NOT spending that kind of money on a stupid lizard... so I decided that just in case he was sick and suffering I should euthanize him.
I flushed him down the toilet.
To my surprise, when I came back in an hour later he had actually SWAM BACK UP through the pipes so I whacked him one good on the head and flushed like 6 times just to be sure.
Problem solved.

JK
The local vet said she would give me a script without having to stress him out by dragging him out in subzero weather, so I just need to decide what med to ask for. He's not gaping constantly and I am leaving off the UV for a while to see if that might be the problem, he ate a bunch of silks and my only concern is that his gums and tongue look a bit pale. Even if he is fine tomorrow I am going to get some antibiotics proactively, I have a good microscope so I'm also asking for any links/advice on how to do a fecal exam. So please drop a line if you have any suggestions on the best all around antibiotic and where to start looking for info on the fecals. I have a decent book on the subject:
https://books.google.com/books/about/Understanding_Reptile_Parasites.html?id=7nFJLZGiMSgC
but any other info appreciated.
 
What are the temperatures in the cage? Species of chameleon? Age?

Are you seeing excessive mucus when the gaping occurs? Do you hear a popping or crackling sound when he/she is breathing?
 
How often is the cham gaping? If you are concerned about a RI i would get a vet to check the chameleon out.

Baytril isnt something you want to use unless you are positive there is an infection. It can cause dehydration and is generally rough on them. I works well but can be dangerous if not dosed properly. I would not do injections as it can kill the skin around the injection (If i am remembering correctly). Orally would be the best bet or injecting a feeder with the med and giving it to the chameleon.
 
He's stopped for the time being- but I still realize that this should be something I keep before I actually need it. Further research leads me to believe that Baytril is actually not a great choice because as you said it is really rough on them- in fact from what I have read, it's almost guaranteed to do some kidney damage unless you are extraordinarily vigilant. I'm looking into some better options.
 
If you're seeing a vet why aren't you waiting to ask him/her what medication you should have??
It's not normal to just keep some on hand because it has an expiry date as a rule.
 
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