Graceful Chameleon keeps his eyes closed

konni

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Hi All,

My daughter and I are new chameleon owners. We recently purchased (2 weeks) a graceful chameleon at a reptile expo. We were told he was a few months old and wild caught. He is about 8" from the tip of his tail to the tip of his nose. Lately he seems to be sleeping a lot when he should be active (last few days). He frequently has one or both eyes shut. At first we weren't sure he was eating but the crickets are disappearing and we only found a few (2 or 3) dead ones when we cleaned out his cage. We have only been giving him about 5-6 a day because we only want there to be as many as he will eat. He gets handled for about 5-10 minutes every day or every other. I am not sure if there is something simple we overlooked, I have been doing some reading on lighting and I am now wondering if that could be causing him to close his eyes? Or is it a sign of something more serious? One of the chameleons he was housed with had both eyes closed. He was in a cage with 3 or 4 other same age and species at the expo. The following is all the other info I can provide:

Cage: screen cage, 16x16x20
Light: 18" strip light bulb reads 15w tropical 25 T8 Zilla, came fixture with bulb, just removed plastic cover in front of bulb yesteday
For Basking: 50w zoo med repti basking spot lamp, we were using 60w daytime heat lamp but it seemed a little too warm so we switched, we also had the light directly on top of his cage but changed our setup so it is a little further away. For awhile we were leaving basking light off trying to get temp down because we read gracefuls like 65-75 degrees
Temp: 78-80 degrees, pretty consistent, day and night, little cooler at the bottom, but he never goes there (not since his first day home)
Humidity: 50-70% depending on when we misted which we do 3 or more times a day because we read his humidity should be around 80-90%, it is higher at the bottom
Substrate: Wood chips with moss
Plants: we have fake vines and one live pothos, we have observed him licking water off the leaves
Water: He also has a waterfall and we use a drip system
Feeding: He ate 3 flies (wild) when we first got him, since then we have tried waxwroms, horned worms which he did not eat, flightless fruit flies maybe he ate and crickets, 5-7 med to large a day, not sure if the crickets are gut loaded, bought at a local petstore
Droppings: he is pooping, not sure what chameleon poop should look like so don't know if it's normal, looks white and a little slimy, but then he is pooping mostly in the water.

Any suggestions or info are appreciated. We did a lot of research prior to getting him, and since, but we were going to get a veiled until the seller convinced us gracefuls were better for handling. I was hoping to avoid a large vet bill if possible but now I am thinking it may be inevitable. Please help...
 
Im sorry youre joining us under bad circumstances.

first- the waterfall is a bad idea, they can grow bacteria, and if a cham drinks from it it can get sick, if a bug falls in and the cham eats the bug, it can get sick, if it falls in, it can drown. chameleons drink water droplets that pool on leaves, which is why we mist them.

second- the substrate- you dont need it. all it does is provide a place for mold to grow, bugs to hide, and a potential choking hazard.

Since you say hes wild caught- he probably has parasites, so take a fresh poop and head off to your vet.

wild caughts have a hard time acclimating.

can you post photos please?

sounds like you just need a vet for a parasite check. and hes probably dehydrated,
 
First of all welcome and I am sorry your new little cham is not feeling well. Please remove the waterfall. They are a breeding ground for bacteria and your cham is pooping in it. If he drinks the water that is not a good thing. As long as he is drinking off the leaves, the waterfall serves no purpose. Remove the moss and wood chips. That is a potential for impaction if your chameleon shoots at prey and eats that material on accident. Seeing your chameleon is wild caught, there is a great possibility of parasites. I would get a fresh fecal and get it to your vet and have it checked. You chameleon may have to be dewormed. Parasites can cause lethargy. Not saying that is why he is closing his eyes. There is a possibility that the light is causing this. Try bringing him outside in the sunshine and see if he continues to close his eyes. If he is not, then I would venture to say it could be the lighting. I would recommend then, taking that light back and getting either a reptiglo or reptisun 5.0 instead and try that. I hate to say this, but often times wild caughts are very hard to acclimate. They have their immune systems comprised already from the stress of being caught and shipped.
 
Hi!

I'm concerned with your temperatures. Normally the goal is to have a temperature gradient so the animal can regulate his body temperature by changing his location. If the whole enclosure is always 78-80 degrees, he really doesn't have that chance. It sounds like you have 2 bulbs for heat. I would just use a household incandescent. Try a 40 watt bulb and see if that doesn't give you 80ish in the basking spot and a nice fall off to room temperature at the bottom.

Also, your chameleon will benefit from a cool dark night. You should treat the lights like the sun: on during the day, off at night.
 
thanks all, I didn't think this posted I typed in in on my phone earlier, so i just reposted another post. I will put pics up shortly.
 
pictures taken today

Here are some pictures taken today
 

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also the picture on my profile is when he first came home, he was not happy when we were taking his picture today
 
The eye appears to be clinching like he has debri in the eye or it is dry.

I would start with shower chamber treatments and if the chameleon does not welcome this. I would apply more (longer) mistings throughout the day and maybe purchase a pump sprayers to aid in this..

Also for the time being dont handle the chameleon. Let it become comfartably healthy first before subjecting it to possibly more stress.
 
We have been misting him daily, morning and evening. He only has 1 heating light unless the one in the light strip is not uva/uvb light as I was told. (Is there a way to tell?) Does anyone know also if I can take poop sample from water? We will take the waterfall out and change his substrate as well. Can anyone advise, do his eyes look sunken? I thought they would look flat, my 9 yr. old kid is telling me different. (It's her chammy, she had to read up on before ownership)
 
about your chameleon

are you still having problems with his eyes?
i would try dusting his food with something like reptical right away. if he isnt getting enough calcium it can be very serious. it happen to my veiled, one of the first signs he showed was closing one of his eyes all the time.
 
also change your uvb light to the reptisun 5.0 asap. if he isnt getting calcium or the right light he will grow weak fast
 
Thank you all for your replies. Sadly our little guy did not make it despite a visit to the vet and attempts to hydrate him. I think he was just too stressed from being wild caught and the difficulty we were having trying to get his cage to the correct humidity and temperature consistently. Lesson learned. We are now looking to support an organization dedicated to keeping wild animals in the wild where they belong. Our next chameleon will be captive bred.
 
Thank you all for your replies. Sadly our little guy did not make it despite a visit to the vet and attempts to hydrate him. I think he was just too stressed from being wild caught and the difficulty we were having trying to get his cage to the correct humidity and temperature consistently. Lesson learned. We are now looking to support an organization dedicated to keeping wild animals in the wild where they belong. Our next chameleon will be captive bred.

im sorry thats awfull, mellers are harder chams. Try getting a panther or a Veiled they are both way more hardy and you could use the same cage
 
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