Gut loading frenzy

[PetNcs]

Gutloading...
"Gut loading is the term used for the provision of a special diet to insects, shortly before the insects will be consumed. When this diet, which contains high levels of the desired nutrient(s), is consumed by the insect it will be present in the gut, thereby increasing the insectivore’s nutrient intake when the insect is consumed. Due to the nature of gut loading, it is suitable for almost all nutrients as long as the diet is palatable to the insect and the diet can contain sufficient quantities of the desired nutrient(s) (Hunt-Coslik et al., 2009)."...
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/veterinary-science-and-veterinary-medicine/gut-loading

"Gut loading is the process by which an animal's prey is raised and fed nutritious foods with the intention of passing those nutrients to the animal for which the prey is intended"...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gut_loading

How can Ferretinmushoes put a like here when this exactly prooves her concept of gutloading that includes digestion is simply FALSE?!!!!
This is really ridiculous!

Even a non-english native tongue can easily understand rhat
GUT LOAD menas
GUT . Imprecies word for stomachnor even intestines
and
LOAD . Term
Defining a big volume of something put somewhere as a load

So
GUT LOADING refers onvioisly and by definition to putting nitrients into the intestine BEFORE THEY CAN BE DIFESTED

AND NOT after they have been digested, as wrongly Ferretinmushoes writes and self-cotes and manipulates our kinds here

I
Do kot want tonoffend anyone
And do jot want to play an asshole

But thisnis evident like ifnit would be on a
Court that we are manipulated and notmtreated fairly

She never says any milimeter of sorry or maybe I was wrong, always uses her firmal statis to forcefully make her statemensts to be true

I do not buy it
I
Feel the community mistreated

With all respect and with nonintention to be rude or offensive
I PROTEST against such manipulation
As a member of CF since 2012

 

[ferretinmyshoes]

How can Ferretinmushoes put a like here when this exactly prooves her concept of gutloading that includes digestion is simply FALSE?!!!!
This is really ridiculous!

Even a non-english native tongue can easily understand rhat
GUT LOAD menas
GUT . Imprecies word for stomachnor even intestines
and
LOAD . Term
Defining a big volume of something put somewhere as a load

So
GUT LOADING refers onvioisly and by definition to putting nitrients into the intestine BEFORE THEY CAN BE DIFESTED

AND NOT after they have been digested, as wrongly Ferretinmushoes writes and self-cotes and manipulates our kinds here

I
Do kot want tonoffend anyone
And do jot want to play an asshole

But thisnis evident like ifnit would be on a
Court that we are manipulated and notmtreated fairly

She never says any milimeter of sorry or maybe I was wrong, always uses her firmal statis to forcefully make her statemensts to be true

I do not buy it
I
Feel the community mistreated

That’s quite simply just your interpretation based on the literal meaning of the two words. But the explanation that immediately follows disproves that. So you’re arguing over a misinterpretation really.

 

[ferretinmyshoes]

And no, I will not be apologizing for simply disagreeing with you and providing evidence that supports my argument.

 

[nightanole]

The image can always be updated... We intended that there be versions of the images as new advances were made in the understanding of different ingredients.

Well we may have to have a little sit down on what a bug can and can not digest. If a bug can not digest it, we may not want it in the picture. I dont know any bugs that eat "seeds". On the other hand tons of bugs eat citrus fruit. Maybe add Brussels Sprouts and other plant omega 3 sources to replace the nutts.

Im not going to argue what is a gut load, since Ive had this same Pet discussion as early as 13 years ago. Ive never really provided a "gutload" recipe to people, and i do not have a food list that i provide hours before feeding off the bugs. Its pretty much " just feed this stuff to your bugs any time".

Maybe some of the wordsmiths can chime in on how we can use the word gutload and bug food at the same time. "staple daily gutload diet"?

 

[nightanole]

I think it is in line with the idea that a couple people brought up earlier... That while they may not eat flaxseed, they may eat other foods with similar fatty acids, minerals, etc. No idea if this benefits our chameleons, but that's my logic around adding it to the diet of feeders.

I put cod liver oil on my tegu food. You know a tegu as never seen a wild cod in its life, but yes they do eat things with a similar fatty profile

 

[PetNcs]

That’s quite simply just your interpretation based on the literal meaning of the two words. But the explanation that immediately follows disproves that. So your arguing over a misinterpretation really.

Ininsist you manipulate and twist

And in thisnenvironment
Itnis impossinle tk come to other consensus than to yours being tigjt which have been lroven is not
I have noproblem being wrong if it is true
But Inreaerve my integrity to decide what is going on here
I abscond from rhat debate
It became meaningless by your mistreatment of all
Of us
It is my firm belief and I have enough evidence for that
If yiu want to kill CF further, please di so
Butnai am against protesting verybrespectfully not against yiu,
But against a behavior and policy like that
I habe nothing againsg yij as a lerson
But yiur behavior is unacceltable

 

[Kaizen]

“Killing cf?”

 

[kinyonga]

That first article said..."In general, however, gut loading for 24–72 h appears to result in similar levels of nutrients in the intact insect"...if the insect is gutloaded that far ahead of being eaten the gutload has to be somewhat digested...no?

Petr, you said..."GUT LOADING refers onvioisly and by definition to putting nitrients into the intestine BEFORE THEY CAN BE DIFESTED"...if they are in the intestine aren't they already digested because they passed through the digestive system?

 

[ferretinmyshoes]

That first article said..."In general, however, gut loading for 24–72 h appears to result in similar levels of nutrients in the intact insect"...if the insect is gutloaded that far ahead of being eaten the gutload has to be somewhat digested...no?

Petr, you said..."GUT LOADING refers onvioisly and by definition to putting nitrients into the intestine BEFORE THEY CAN BE DIFESTED"...if they are in the intestine aren't they already digested because they passed through the digestive system?

This is exactly my point.

 

[ferretinmyshoes]

Petr no one is mistreating you. You struck out to have a debate and a discussion about this on a public forum. So I came to this discussion armed with evidence to support my argument, as everyone should do in a debate like this. I never insulted or belittled you or called you out on your gaslighting behavior. I simply presented evidence and disagreed with you on some key points that I truly think boil down to a misinterpretation. If you do not want to have anyone disagree with you then you did not come here to have a debate, you came here to lecture. But unfortunately, that's not in line with even your goal of advancing chameleon care. You dislike me and that is very clear as you react in an extremely volatile way any time I chime in regardless of what I have to say or how I say it. But no one is mistreating you.

 

[jamest0o0]

I put cod liver oil on my tegu food. You know a tegu as never seen a wild cod in its life, but yes they do eat things with a similar fatty profile

Yup, that's my thoughts on why people might use seeds for insects. And some insects do eat seeds, though probably not the ones we typically find at a grocery store. Katydids for example are said to eat them.

 

[PetNcs]

Petr no one is mistreating you. You struck out to have a debate and a discussion about this on a public forum. So I came to this discussion armed with evidence to support my argument, as everyone should do in a debate like this. I never insulted or belittled you or called you out on your gaslighting behavior. I simply presented evidence and disagreed with you on some key points that I truly think boil down to a misinterpretation. If you do not want to have anyone disagree with you then you did not come here to have a debate, you came here to lecture. But unfortunately, that's not in line with even your goal of advancing chameleon care. You dislike me and that is very clear as you react in an extremely volatile way any time I chime in regardless of what I have to say or how I say it. But no one is mistreating you.

Yiu are Always right
Yoj never apologize
Even if shown evidence of you not telling the truth
Yiu twist the situation and use another lie to het away of it and neber say sorry
Yij are rudely putting a
Laugh on where I dare to criticise yiu
I just want to remind you that I am running a
Community of
Bigger size than CF actually and i would
Not allow anyone to
Act Like you do
The fact you bring citations rhat address a different topic rhan mentioned topic and deliver in fact a proof that yiur words are not correct and even then yiu stay like nothing would happen, is hard ti understand to me

I reapect you as a person but I consider your arrogant and respectless behavior as a wrong approach to serve a community

Yiu promote
Mediocrity and disrespect the usage of terms
And, the xare sheets yoj insist to stay are cajsing lro lems in cAptivity,
Same tij do jot wven remeber what yiu rexommend on yiur graphixs
Concerninv gutloading

This is my opinion

Please
Do not patronize me

I have really enough of yiur destructive work here
And while
Colleagues motivated me to discuss and invest my time into the debate, your influence totallh demotivated and disgusts me
And I have really enough of it

 

[Beman]

ugggggggggg

 

[MissSkittles]

Ok...this thread is now devolving into nothing helpful for anyone. I’m going to continue feeding my buggies good healthy foods so that they are healthy and will provide their good buggie nutrients to my chameleons. I will use bee pollen in my supplement dusting. This is also what I will continue to advise new members to do as it all makes sense and to my brain is good practice. I don’t care what term anyone wants to call it at this point.

 

[Kaizen]

Ok...this thread is now devolving into nothing helpful for anyone. I’m going to continue feeding my buggies good healthy foods so that they are healthy and will provide their good buggie nutrients to my chameleons. I will use bee pollen in my supplement dusting. This is also what I will continue to advise new members to do as it all makes sense and to my brain is good practice. I don’t care what term anyone wants to call it at this point.

Seconded!

 

[ferretinmyshoes]

Petr you really are something else.

You say you've had enough and that you are leaving on a near daily basis. See you next time!

 

[PetNcs]

And no, I will not be apologizing for simply disagreeing with you and providing evidence that supports my argument.

You were lying
You orovided wrong info
Is that nothing to apologize?

 

[PetNcs]

Petr you really are something else.

You say you've had enough and that you are leaving on a near daily basis. See you next time!

Again a lie
Nearly daily basis?
Never see yoj again

 

[ferretinmyshoes]

You were lying
You orovided wrong info
Is that nothing to apologize?

A slight exaggeration. I’ll be apologizing for “lying and providing wrong info” when you do sir.

 

[PetNcs]

A slight exaggeration. I’ll be apologizing for “lying and providing wrong info” when you do sir.

I see,
So ravenge? Excellent
Thstbis reslly worth a noble personality.
Please, never ever address me any more.
Good bye