Has anyone had any experience with abscesses?

szpond

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Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - I have had my male Jackson's Chameleon for about five months now.
Handling - I do not handle my chameleon unless it is absolutely necessary.
Feeding - He gets 4-5 large crickets in the morning with treats (wax worms and mealworms) 2-3 times a week. I remove uneaten crickets before nightfall.
Supplements - Offhand not sure of the brand, but I dust calcium on Tuesdays and Fridays, multivitamin on Sundays.
Watering - My chameleon will drink every day from the "Little Dripper" I use (distilled water only) which will run for about 30 minutes, midday. He will either open his mouth up and catch the drops or drink directly off of the leaves.
Fecal Description - Recently runny, he rebelled against crickets for a couple of days so that may be the cause?
History - No previous history, always kept in below conditions.

Cage Info:
Cage Type - A glass/screen combo terrarium that is 18 x 18 x 24.
Lighting - Not too sure on brands and wattage offhand, but he is on a 12 hr. schedule from 7AM-7PM. If I see he is sleeping before 7PM I'll flip them off early.
Temperature - I have two thermometers - one at the mid/top and one near the bottom. The top thermometer is always between 80-85 degrees and the bottom is below 80 degrees. He has access to the upper and lower very easily - he will spend time basking every day. When lights are off, temperature rarely gets below 70-72. My room is hot usually.
Humidity - I use an automatic fogger on a timer (15 minutes out of the hour I have found keeps the humidity between 50-80%, but I also have to change the coconut bark I use for substrate often because of it). Only distilled water that I buy by the gallon.
Plants - I am only using artificial plants, but I'd love some recommendations on which live plants to use!
Placement - My terrarium is located in the corner of my bedroom. I work often (that is why he is on a timer), so there is no high traffic, only me. There is a vent nearby but I have the plastic air-redirecting vent on top. The terrarium is about 2-3 feet up on a desk that is the same width and length.
Location - Southeastern Michigan.

Current Problem - Alright, after all that jazz - Max and I saw the vet today about two bumps he has on the base of his tail and above his shoulder. The reptile specialist was able to diagnose almost immediately - abscesses. The first choice we have is the oral antibiotic, every day at the same time, for 2 weeks. I am going to see how this goes, and if this fails to change anything, I will be getting the abscesses drained while he's under anesthesia.

Does anyone have any experience in this? Have you heard of the antibiotics working? I have heard that they are common to get, is there a way I can prevent this in the future? Change the substrate more often (I do partial changes weekly and full changes when I feel it is needed)?

He gets very upset when I give him the antibiotic (obviously), but once he is back in his cage he has no problem eating/drinking right away and returns to his normal, healthy color. I'm glad he's hardy!
 
I took this one this morning during a fogging. He is at the tail end of a shedding.
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Substrate is not recommended . If ingested it can cause obstruction. Could you line floor with paper towel?
 
Substrate is not recommended . If ingested it can cause obstruction. Could you line floor with paper towel?

I think I misunderstood the meaning of "substrate" then. I used to use a chip-like bedding but he would accidentally pick up a chip while eating crickets, so I changed to a very fine (yet absorbs liquid and keeps humidity) all-natural coconut bark that he does not eat any of. I'm very happy with it. I was told this was for the better, is it not?
 
I think I misunderstood the meaning of "substrate" then. I used to use a chip-like bedding but he would accidentally pick up a chip while eating crickets, so I changed to a very fine (yet absorbs liquid and keeps humidity) all-natural coconut bark that he does not eat any of. I'm very happy with it. I was told this was for the better, is it not?

No, I would still stick to paper towels. Any substrate of any kind is dangerous and is just a pain to clean.

Also, I see you live in Michigan. Is it humid where you are? If so, even slightly, you should use a screen cage. If you have the option, always go for the screen. EDIT: My mistake :eek: I just realized you have a glass-screen combo.
 
You asked for live plant recommendations... I would recommend umbrella plant/schefflera, pothos, hibiscus, or ficus. These are the most common and hardiest plants. I use a pothos and umbrella plant :)
 
I do have to say though... beautiful cham :)


Well thank ya! :) About it being humid here, it's only really humid in June and July. The rest of the months are either dry or cold. If I lived closer to the great lakes I would have probably went with a screen because it would have been better for him. I decided to use the fogger instead with the glass. Will this be okay for his lifetime? I'd be too worried about it getting too cold with a screen.

Also I will do paper towel if it's necessary, but in all honesty guys, he doesn't eat any of it. The crickets typically crawl up off the ground immediately and he gets them in the leaves, even.
 
Well thank ya! :) About it being humid here, it's only really humid in June and July. The rest of the months are either dry or cold. If I lived closer to the great lakes I would have probably went with a screen because it would have been better for him. I decided to use the fogger instead with the glass. Will this be okay for his lifetime? I'd be too worried about it getting too cold with a screen.

Also I will do paper towel if it's necessary, but in all honesty guys, he doesn't eat any of it. The crickets typically crawl up off the ground immediately and he gets them in the leaves, even.

As long as he still gets good airflow, he will be fine. I just use paper towel because it is easy to clean and can't be ingested easily. I guess you could place the feeders in a tub in his enclosure... but you would still have to change his substrate frequently.
 
As long as he still gets good airflow, he will be fine. I just use paper towel because it is easy to clean and can't be ingested easily. I guess you could place the feeders in a tub in his enclosure... but you would still have to change his substrate frequently.

I had a little trouble with using a tub-like feeder, actually. It was glass with a rounded top, crickets couldn't get out of it. Thing was, he wouldn't eat 'em! He'd just look at them. After two days of this, I let the crickets free-roam and he took 5 of them right away. I guess he likes to hunt!
 
If you want to go with the substrate I would reccomend to change it all weekly. I think with the glass terrarium and high humidity you shouldn't leave it for longer then one week. Most people on this forum just go with paper towels - it's easier to clean and you don't have to worry about bacterias, and it's cheaper ;) There was a case (or cases) with chams eating a cricket with a substrat on it and died after that. At least that's what I've read.
Hope your boy get better!
 
Regarding the abcesses...generally the pus is quite thick and not likely to be penetrated by the antibiotics so they will likely need to be cleaned out and a culture and sensitivity test done to determine which antibiotic will kill the bacterial involved.
 
Your supplementation needs to be changed also.

Calcium with every feeding. Calcium w/ D3 and multivitamin once a month.
 
My Panther has a few accesses on his toes. They were all drained and then treated with an appropriate antibiotic. All better after that, but I never knew the exact cause of them.

For the bottom you can try something called Repti-Carpet. It's green and comes in rolls. I cut them to fit the bottom then switch them out and wash weekly. It's safe and if you're concerned about looks, it's nicer than paper towels ;)

Your boy is beautiful, I hope he gets better soon!
 
Regarding the abcesses...generally the pus is quite thick and not likely to be penetrated by the antibiotics so they will likely need to be cleaned out and a culture and sensitivity test done to determine which antibiotic will kill the bacterial involved.

Alright, this is what I needed to know. Do you think I should just use the 2-week antibiotic prescription and then schedule a draining for each abscess immediately after? Or would you skip antibiotics?
 
You know my Jackson male had those absess on his shoulders they used a needle drained mostof it out and used antibiotics following that but he never did find out what was the cause it never went all the way away is he w.c. Mine was maybe had before I got him but he lived with me five years and he wasn't a baby when I got home r.i.p blue
 
What are the "abscesses" from?

Did the vet cut one open, or use a syringe and take a sample?

I was told that they're easily formed due to the high humidity, and in turn, the high bacteria level...but I was curious as to if there was much more I could do but clean more often to avoid them in the future?

No sample. He basically grabbed Max (hissing and biting and all), kind of uncovered (with his fingers) the hard top of the abscess on the base of his tail, and made a diagnosis. No testing, just looking, took all of about 4 minutes. I brought home antibiotics.

In all honesty, I was very surprised of his "chameleon expert" - or so I was told. He asked me no questions about what conditions Max was living in, how old, etc. They only took his weight.

Do you think I should just skip right to the draining? Or I could ask if they could do some sort of sample to prescribe more specific antibiotics for his type of abscess? We are on day #2 of the antibiotics and he'll take them just fine.
 
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