He's looking good day 3

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I'll be curious to see if his behavior changes when his enclosure does.

Look, I'm not saying chameleons can't or shouldn't be handled. They can, and they will, like I already said, adapt to it. They will never be personable like a bearded dragon, tegu, or monitor has the potential to be (and frankly beardies seem sort of bland when compared to the other two species in terms of personality). I think it is important to build up some sort of level of trust and rapport with your chameleon, because there will be times when you need to handle and examine it. I'm not saying these are like fish in an aquarium, strictly "look, but don't touch" pets, but they're similar. All too often keepers project their own feelings onto the chameleon, feelings that a chameleon just isn't capable of having. But people do that with all of their pets. I'm horrible about it with my dogs, and my wife gives me a hard time about it often.

@Kristen Wilkins gave several good examples of members who regularly handle their chameleons and have built a very trusting relationship with them. Unfortunately, they seem to be the exception that proves the rule. I wish you the best with your chameleon, and I don't want you to feel like you are being ganged up on or offending anyone with your thoughts, opinions or ideas. Sharing those things with one another is one of the exact reasons these forums exist, which is why members such as myself share them so freely.

Take care.

My cham is very personable in my mind and this is highly offensive 2 me. I pride myself on their health and personality and feel bad that you fail to understand all animals have the personalities they choose to have

 

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My cham is very personable in my mind and this is highly offensive 2 me. I pride myself on their health and personality and feel bad that you fail to understand all animals have the personalities they choose to have

If that's offensive to you, you're not only going to have a hard time on these forums, but the internet. Hell, life in general.

 

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If that's offensive to you, you're not only going to have a hard time on these forums, but the internet. Hell, life in general.

A lot of people on this forum are extremely friendly and kind. All I want to tell you is that animals have strong personalities big and small

 

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If disagreeing with you makes me unfriendly and unkind, I don't know what to tell you. I understand chameleons have personalities. I'm not disputing that fact.

Anyway, we're going in circles. I'm done here. Good luck.

 

[CharlieCharmingo]

I had an oscar I used to hand feed. But I certainly wasn't petting him.

Haha He has oscars too. He is definitely not petting just feeding them from his hands. He's one of those guys who pours himself a cold drink, pulls up a chair, and admires his fish tank lol.

 

[WAMBO]

Haha He has oscars too. He is definitely not petting just feeding them from his hands. He's one of those guys who pours himself a cold drink, pulls up a chair, and admires his fish tank lol.

My fish rise to the top of the tank when they see me. There is a pond filled with Koi that do the same. It's amazing that they have no fear, but expect people to feed them! Pascal my panther, just has little human interaction. I'm a fulltime MD so I'm gone all day. By the time I get home, he's in his corner ready for bed. Although he still seems to try to hide himself when I'm near, he no longer blows up and flames up with colors when I pet him, which I don't do very often.

 

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Haha He has oscars too. He is definitely not petting just feeding them from his hands. He's one of those guys who pours himself a cold drink, pulls up a chair, and admires his fish tank lol.

Lol I love that. I always handfeed delta. (My new baby veiled)

 

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My fish rise to the top of the tank when they see me. There is a pond filled with Koi that do the same. It's amazing that they have no fear, but expect people to feed them! Pascal my panther, just has little human interaction. I'm a fulltime MD so I'm gone all day. By the time I get home, he's in his corner ready for bed. Although he still seems to try to hide himself when I'm near, he no longer blows up and flames up with colors when I pet him, which I don't do very often.

Sorry but what's MD cause that's where I live lol

 

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I'm sorry if I offended any1 on this forum but just feel like I needed to say it. I'm having issues with my personal life and have been agressive. Especially with my depression and anxiety.

 

[Nursemaia]

Sorry but what's MD cause that's where I live lol

MD as in Dr.

 

[Kristen Wilkins]

I'll be curious to see if his behavior changes when his enclosure does.

Look, I'm not saying chameleons can't or shouldn't be handled. They can, and they will, like I already said, adapt to it. They will never be personable like a bearded dragon, tegu, or monitor has the potential to be (and frankly beardies seem sort of bland when compared to the other two species in terms of personality). I think it is important to build up some sort of level of trust and rapport with your chameleon, because there will be times when you need to handle and examine it. I'm not saying these are like fish in an aquarium, strictly "look, but don't touch" pets, but they're similar. All too often keepers project their own feelings onto the chameleon, feelings that a chameleon just isn't capable of having. But people do that with all of their pets. I'm horrible about it with my dogs, and my wife gives me a hard time about it often.

@Kristen Wilkins gave several good examples of members who regularly handle their chameleons and have built a very trusting relationship with them. Unfortunately, they seem to be the exception that proves the rule. I wish you the best with your chameleon, and I don't want you to feel like you are being ganged up on or offending anyone with your thoughts, opinions or ideas. Sharing those things with one another is one of the exact reasons these forums exist, which is why members such as myself share them so freely.

Take care.

I wish I could visit each keeper a month or 2 Learn all different ways that would be amazing .

 

[CharlieCharmingo]

My fish rise to the top of the tank when they see me. There is a pond filled with Koi that do the same. It's amazing that they have no fear, but expect people to feed them! Pascal my panther, just has little human interaction. I'm a fulltime MD so I'm gone all day. By the time I get home, he's in his corner ready for bed. Although he still seems to try to hide himself when I'm near, he no longer blows up and flames up with colors when I pet him, which I don't do very often.

His next goal is to get a monitor and a koi pond as well. But I'm glad Pascal is warming up to you slowly! That at least is an improvement! Maybe since you're an MD he thinks your his personal vet from hell lol. He can't tell the difference.

 

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Do any of your chameleons live to hunt instead of be hand fed? My panther boba loves hunting for his own food.

 

[Nursemaia]

I don't hand feed any of my chams

 

[Kristen Wilkins]

I'm not contradicting anyone , Handling is so controversial but there are excellent keepers that handle @CharlieCharmingo is a Perfect example with that very handsome boy of hers or @Matt Vanilla Gorilla @alphakenc It's how they raise them . @jannb many of her baby's are handled . It's fantastic to have all there's amazing keepers and learn all there ways .

Now this is a funny subject my Frances is such a funny little girl . She loves Hunting her cricket but gets hand fed everything else . She does not like her feeding cup much at all and first time I put her creckets in it she Pooped in the cup and I have pictures for proof . If I put Any veggies in there she rips them up and sends them to the bottom of enclosed .

 

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Now this is a funny subject my Frances is such a funny little girl . She loves Hunting her cricket but gets hand fed everything else . She does not like her feeding cup much at all and first time I put her creckets in it she Pooped in the cup and I have pictures for proof . If I put Any veggies in there she rips them up and sends them to the bottom of enclosed .

I put boba in a bin first and dump in the crickets. We call it the hunting bin. Delta on the other hand hates hunting and is just plain lazy. Lol. Although he climbs a lot.

 

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His next goal is to get a monitor and a koi pond as well. But I'm glad Pascal is warming up to you slowly! That at least is an improvement! Maybe since you're an MD he thinks your his personal vet from hell lol. He can't tell the difference.

I highly recommend starting with a dwarf species. Ackies, in particular, are a fantastic introduction to monitors. People unfortunately start with Savannah monitors a lot, and while they are very great lizards, people don't seem to understand they need dirt about 3-4 feet deep to really thrive. They need to burrow to feel secure, and an insecure monitor is unpredictable and will never really live up to its potential.

Brown and black roughnecks are also really cool monitors. They have those bird-like movements and velociraptor shaped heads. But they're also next to impossible to get CB.

 

[Remkon]

I'm sorry if I offended any1 on this forum but just feel like I needed to say it. I'm having issues with my personal life and have been agressive. Especially with my depression and anxiety.

Well, I'm sorry to hear that and I hope that you'll get better... I dont know if the affection for your chameleon has anything to do with it, you know... Maybe it comforts you in some way when you handle him. But you must also see from the animals perspective that they are just not cuddly and pet able, any trust from them is slowly obtained, if you ignore that and keep on handling him time and time again eventually his health will suffer.

I hope you and your chameleon can find a balance that gives him his privacy and you the interaction you want out of it.

Kick that depression square in the nuts, life is to short and beautiful to be depressed about it. May your chameleon be living proof of the wonders of nature!

 

[Remkon]

I highly recommend starting with a dwarf species. Ackies, in particular, are a fantastic introduction to monitors. People unfortunately start with Savannah monitors a lot, and while they are very great lizards, people don't seem to understand they need dirt about 3-4 feet deep to really thrive. They need to burrow to feel secure, and an insecure monitor is unpredictable and will never really live up to its potential.

Brown and black roughnecks are also really cool monitors. They have those bird-like movements and velociraptor shaped heads. But they're also next to impossible to get CB.

Ackies are friggin awesome! Took me a week to get over the death of my male...
They are animals full of live and very active!

Almost every other species just takes up to much space... I want a varanus salvator or varanus indicus but the first needs a room size enclosure and the second... Well half or so... Albigularis is also awesome prehistoric looking but also a massive animal when full grown...
Yeah, before chameleons monitor lizards were all that and a bag of chips for me

 

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I'm currently obsessing over green tree monitors and quince monitors.

Indicus are cool, but every single one I've had interactions with has left sort of a sour taste in my mouth. First line of defense: poop. All over you. Second line? Bite. Third? Poop some more.

To be fair, all of these were WC.