How big will he get ?
- Thread starter Lewis
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bimac6
Avid Member
I'm confused, you never said anything was wrong with him. You only posted wondering how big he will get? That first photo of the cham is one with MBD. No doubt. And MBD isn't something that just gets better. It actually does exactly the opposite unless you bring them to the vet. The second picture the cham not only looks like a completely different one, he is also way younger looking than the first (by looking at the girth of his limbs)
carol5208
Chameleon Enthusiast
Sorry to say but I don't think the OP is not being completely honest with us. I am not sure what his/her reasons are but maybe they will explain. What troubles me, if indeed that first chameleon really is his, it is not in good shape at all. Let's face it, if he has a 2 yr old veild and it only weights 64 grams, something is not right. If you notice too the casque in the first pic looks stunted also, consistent with MBD.
carol5208
Chameleon Enthusiast
so is the chameleon in the first pic yours or not??? If not, why would you post that?
ReptiGeek
New Member
OP is probably a kid who doesn't want to feel guilty for not knowing how to properly care for a chameleon. The first photo is 100% MBD positive. The second photo is either the same chameleon but the photo is from months-years prior to the first photo OR it isn't the same chameleon at all (notice the completely different plants/terrain in the enclosure).
So to the OP (Lewis), we are not judging you for not having known how to properly care for a chameleon (there are TONS of people who join these forums not knowing that they haven't been providing their chameleon with the best care) but we are merely wanting to know more information so we can HELP you.
So to the OP (Lewis), we are not judging you for not having known how to properly care for a chameleon (there are TONS of people who join these forums not knowing that they haven't been providing their chameleon with the best care) but we are merely wanting to know more information so we can HELP you.
carol5208
Chameleon Enthusiast
I agree with this completely!
carol5208
Chameleon Enthusiast
because you posted a picture of a sick chameleon in the first picture and we want to help you. The second pic is probably your chameleon but a younger version before he got MBD.
bimac6
Avid Member
We are talking about this because we care about the wellbeing of your chameleon. Are you sure your vet is experienced with chameleons? It is obvious the one in the first photo has MBD.
If you did ask your vet, when did you ask? Because when I originally mentioned it to you, you made it seem like you didn't even know what MBD was. Have you been to the vet in the time since you started this thread?
It would be a lot easier if you could just snap a new photo of him as of right now, up to you of course....
And to answer your question, if he has MBD (which from the first photo you posted, he does), that will stunt his growth and he probably will end up a lot smaller than most veileds. This is one of the most common issues with chameleons if the husbandry isn't correct and if you don't have it addressed, not only is it very painful for your boy but he will eventually die from it.
Again, we are just trying to help you and your pet.
If you did ask your vet, when did you ask? Because when I originally mentioned it to you, you made it seem like you didn't even know what MBD was. Have you been to the vet in the time since you started this thread?
It would be a lot easier if you could just snap a new photo of him as of right now, up to you of course....
And to answer your question, if he has MBD (which from the first photo you posted, he does), that will stunt his growth and he probably will end up a lot smaller than most veileds. This is one of the most common issues with chameleons if the husbandry isn't correct and if you don't have it addressed, not only is it very painful for your boy but he will eventually die from it.
Again, we are just trying to help you and your pet.
carol5208
Chameleon Enthusiast
Just for you to be honest. The chameleon in the first pic is ill. If that is your chameleon and he was seen by a vet recently for prolapse, your vet would have noticed the MBD. It is impossible not to. MBD does not happen in a day or weeks. It is a progressive disease. You chameleon needs some calcium injections and we need to know what your supplementing schedule is and what brands you are using?
bimac6
Avid Member
Lewis, if you fill this out we will be able to better help you:
Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care?
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon?
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders?
Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule?
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking?
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites?
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you.
Cage Info:
Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions?
Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule?
Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps?
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity?
Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind?
Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor?
Location - Where are you geographically located?
Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care?
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon?
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders?
Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule?
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking?
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites?
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you.
Cage Info:
Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions?
Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule?
Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps?
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity?
Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind?
Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor?
Location - Where are you geographically located?
