i need help something wrong :(

[goldenpony]

There's an unknown lump in mouth

And there are also unknown bumps in the elbow.

And he's making hissing noises and opening his mouth often

can't use your tongue properly when hunting.


someone help me

 

[MissSkittles]

Hi and welcome. Honestly I’ve no idea what those lumps are and your best course of action is a vet visit asap. Adding the list of chameleon-experienced vets for you. You may need to travel a bit for a good vet. Also, you say “he”, but it looks like you have a she.
I would like to see some pics of your enclosure, including lights. If whatever has caused the lumps is related to your husbandry, we can help with getting everything correct.

 

[kinyonga]

We still need you to answer the husbandry questions as thoroughly as possible.
Here’s the link…
https://www.chameleonforums.com/threads/how-to-ask-for-help.66/

 

[goldenpony]

We still need you to answer the husbandry questions as thoroughly as possible.
Here’s the link…
https://www.chameleonforums.com/threads/how-to-ask-for-help.66/

Chameleon Info:

• Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care?
• - 1year
• Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon?
• - No handling
• Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders?
  - 1day 5 per day cricket
• Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule?
• - no include d3 calcium + vitamin A
• Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking?
• - Automatic sprayer for 40 seconds twice a day
• Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites?
• - 4 months ago, excrement is normal
• History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you.
• - Six months ago, I opened my eye incorrectly, so I went to the hospital and was prescribed antibiotic injections and medicine.

Cage Info:

• Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions?
• - 40*40*90 screen
• Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule?
• - Exotera UVB 100 25w
• Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps?
• - 25~29。
• - 1-2 hours in the morning with spot bulbs
  30~35 degrees Celsius
• Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity?
• - Weekly 40-60%
  20-30% at night
• Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind?
• - Skin Dapsus
  
  
• Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor?
• The cage is in front of the window
  
  
• Location - Where are you geographically located?
• - South Korea

Current Problem - The current problem you are concerned about.
1. Unexplained swelling inside the neck
2. Unexplained swelling in the elbow
3. Can't swallow a meal
4. make a hissing sound
5. can't use tongue properly

 

[MissSkittles]

Give me a bit of time and I’ll go thru your husbandry. Your chameleon will still need a vet visit as soon as possible.

 

[MissSkittles]

I’ll put my feedback in bold and split this into two parts. I see that you are from South Korea, so if English isn’t your native language and you don’t understand something, just ask and I’ll try to explain better.

Chameleon Info:

• Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care?
• - 1year If your chameleon is at least a year old, then you do indeed have a female. Has she laid eggs before? She doesn’t need to be mated or even see a male to produce eggs. They just won’t be fertile. It is more important than ever to have all of your care as perfect as possible to prevent any egg laying problems. Here is a blog that will help. https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/veiled-chameleon-laying-101.2488/
• Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon?
• - No handling Is it always good to work on building trust. Even though she may never be very friendly, it’s still important that there be trust. Food is a great motivator. https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/building-trust-with-your-chameleon.2396/
• Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders?
  - 1day 5 per day cricket It’s best to offer a variety of feeders and to take good care of the feeder insects so that they are nutritious. Keeping the feeder insects fed with fresh greens, vegetables and a little fruit is perfect. Do avoid spinach and other greens that are high in oxalates. I don’t want to tell you to reduce your girl’s food right now because she needs to recover from whatever those bumps are. Once she has fully healed from them, you will want to reduce her feedings to 3 days per week. This will help prevent her from producing a large amount of eggs and possibly prevent her from producing any at all.
• Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule?
• - no include d3 calcium + vitamin A I’m not sure I understand what you mean. The correct supplementation is to lightly dust a phosphorus-free calcium without D3 at every feeding. Then one feeding every two weeks you want to give a calcium with D3 and also a multivitamin one feeding every two weeks. Don’t use the multivitamin and calcium with D3 on the same day. Usually we space them a week apart. For example, on the 1st and 14th of a month you’ll use the calcium with D3 and then on the 7th and 21st you’ll use the multivitamin.
• Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking?
• - Automatic sprayer for 40 seconds twice a day It would be better to increase the time to at least 2 minutes right before lights go on and off.
• Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites?
• - 4 months ago, excrement is normal very good
• History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you.
• - Six months ago, I opened my eye incorrectly, so I went to the hospital and was prescribed antibiotic injections and medicine. I’m guessing this happened to your chameleon and not you. Which eye was it? Was it on the same side as the bump in her mouth? When did you first notice the bump in her mouth? Are you sure that she didn’t have it when she had the eye problem? I’m asking because I wonder if it is somehow related to the eye. Unlike us and some other animals, when chameleons get an infection or abscess, the pus isn’t thin and doesn’t break down or go away with antibiotics. It’s thick like a cheese and has to be physically removed by the veterinarian. If that is an abscess in her mouth, the vet will have to not only prescribe antibiotics to treat it, but open it to remove the pus.

 

[MissSkittles]

Cage Info:

• Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions?
• - 40*40*90 screen This is much too small for an adult chameleon. The minimum size needed is 60x60x120. Screen is perfect if you live in a humid area. If you are in a dry area, then a hybrid (mix of screen and glass or acrylic) is perfect.
• Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule?
• - Exotera UVB 100 25w This is a huge problem and I hate to be the one to tell you that your pretty girl probably has metabolic bone disease and that the bump on her leg is probably a badly fractured bone. The screw in uvb lights aren’t able to provide the uvb levels needed for a chameleon to be healthy. The standard is a long T5HO fixture with either a ReptiSun 5.0 or Arcadia 6%. I can only recommend ReptiSun and Arcadia for the uvb bulbs. I tried a ReptiZoo brand and the uvb levels were very low. The fixture works fine after almost a year or so, but the bulb was awful. Once you have the correct uvb light, you want it to be about 21 cm above her basking area.
• Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps?
• - 25~29。
• - 1-2 hours in the morning with spot bulbs
  30~35 degrees Celsius Your temperatures are much too hot. You want your basking temperature to stay no higher than around 26c. At night, if you are able to achieve a drop below at least 20, that is perfect. Not all of us can reach such cool nights, but we do our best to try.
• Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity?
• - Weekly 40-60%
  20-30% at night The ideal humidity during the day is between 30-50%. If you are able to have the cool night temperatures below at least 20c, then you can run a fogger for a few hours at night to raise humidity as high as possible. This simulates the hydration chameleons get in the wild from fog.
• Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind?
• - Skin Dapsus Ok, that is a type of pothos which is safe. Since veileds like to nibble at their plants, it’s important that we use only clean, safe and live plants for them. Pothos is perfect, but you may want to add more. Putting some graphics below of safe plants. Also adding a photo of one of my enclosures (for a panther chameleon) to give you an idea of what your girl needs.
  
  
• Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor?
• The cage is in front of the window Is there any sun that comes in and warms her enclosure? If there is, I suggest moving her away so she won’t overheat. Also, you don’t say how high her enclosure is. Chameleons feel safest when they are up high and prefer if they can look down at us.
  
  
• Location - Where are you geographically located?
• - South Korea

Current Problem - The current problem you are concerned about.
1. Unexplained swelling inside the neck I have no idea what this is. Maybe an abscess or maybe a growth of some kind. If it is preventing her from eating, it is serious and needs immediate veterinary care.
2. Unexplained swelling in the elbow This I suspect is a very bad fractured bone. However, only a veterinarian can tell you for sure. Do be very gentle when handling her though. Her bones are probably very fragile.
3. Can't swallow a meal Very serious problem
4. make a hissing sound Do you mean she hisses at you, or is hissing all the time, like when she breathes? It’s normal for a chameleon to hiss at us when we get too close. It is not at all normal for them to be making any noises at any other times and this needs immediate veterinary care.
5. can't use tongue properly This is probably caused by mbd, the bump in her mouth, or both. Again, she needs immediate veterinary care.

I do hope whatever is going on with her is treatable. If she does have mbd, there’s no way to cure any damage that may have already happened. But correcting the cause of it will prevent any further damage. Again, if you don’t understand anything I’ve said, do let me know and I’ll try to be clearer. Some excellent resources are https://chameleonacademy.com/chameleon-husbandry-program-getting-started-with-chameleons/ and Neptune the Chameleon on YouTube. I believe you can probably set subtitles on YouTube videos. The Chameleon Academy also has videos on YouTube, if that is of any help. Please, do let us know what your veterinarian says and does for your little beauty.

 

[goldenpony]

Cage Info:

• Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions?
• - 40*40*90 screen This is much too small for an adult chameleon. The minimum size needed is 60x60x120. Screen is perfect if you live in a humid area. If you are in a dry area, then a hybrid (mix of screen and glass or acrylic) is perfect.
• Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule?
• - Exotera UVB 100 25w This is a huge problem and I hate to be the one to tell you that your pretty girl probably has metabolic bone disease and that the bump on her leg is probably a badly fractured bone. The screw in uvb lights aren’t able to provide the uvb levels needed for a chameleon to be healthy. The standard is a long T5HO fixture with either a ReptiSun 5.0 or Arcadia 6%. I can only recommend ReptiSun and Arcadia for the uvb bulbs. I tried a ReptiZoo brand and the uvb levels were very low. The fixture works fine after almost a year or so, but the bulb was awful. Once you have the correct uvb light, you want it to be about 21 cm above her basking area.
• Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps?
• - 25~29。
• - 1-2 hours in the morning with spot bulbs
  30~35 degrees Celsius Your temperatures are much too hot. You want your basking temperature to stay no higher than around 26c. At night, if you are able to achieve a drop below at least 20, that is perfect. Not all of us can reach such cool nights, but we do our best to try.
• Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity?
• - Weekly 40-60%
  20-30% at night The ideal humidity during the day is between 30-50%. If you are able to have the cool night temperatures below at least 20c, then you can run a fogger for a few hours at night to raise humidity as high as possible. This simulates the hydration chameleons get in the wild from fog.
• Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind?
• - Skin Dapsus Ok, that is a type of pothos which is safe. Since veileds like to nibble at their plants, it’s important that we use only clean, safe and live plants for them. Pothos is perfect, but you may want to add more. Putting some graphics below of safe plants. Also adding a photo of one of my enclosures (for a panther chameleon) to give you an idea of what your girl needs.
  
  
• Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor?
• 우리는 창문 앞에 있습니다. 그녀의 우리를 따뜻하게 하는 햇빛이 들어오나요? 있다면, 그녀를 멀리 옮겨서 과열되지 않도록 하는 것이 좋습니다. 또한, 당신은 그녀의 우리의 높이를 말하지 않았습니다. 카멜레온은 높은 곳에 있을 때 가장 안전하다고 느끼고 우리를 내려다볼 수 있는 것을 선호합니다.
  
  
• 위치 - 지리적으로 어디에 위치해 있습니까?
• - 대한민국

현재 문제 - 현재 귀하가 우려하는 문제입니다.
1. 목 안쪽의 설명할 수 없는 붓기 이게 뭔지 전혀 모르겠어요. 농양이거나 어떤 종류의 성장일 수도 있어요. 그녀가 먹지 못하게 막는다면 심각하고 즉각적인 수의학적 치료가 필요합니다.
2. 팔꿈치에 설명할 수 없는 붓기 이것은 매우 심한 골절이라고 생각합니다. 그러나 수의사만이 확실히 말할 수 있습니다. 그러나 그녀를 다룰 때는 매우 부드럽게 다루십시오. 그녀의 뼈는 아마도 매우 연약할 것입니다.
3. 음식을 삼킬 수 없음 매우 심각한 문제
4. 쉿쉿거리는 소리를 낸다. 그녀가 당신에게 쉿쉿거리는 소리를 내는 건가요, 아니면 그녀가 숨쉴 때처럼 항상 쉿쉿거리는 건가요? 우리가 너무 가까이 다가가면 카멜레온이 우리에게 쉿쉿거리는 것은 정상적인 일입니다. 다른 시간에 소리를 내는 것은 전혀 정상적인 일이 아니며 즉각적인 수의학적 치료가 필요합니다.
5. 혀를 제대로 쓸 수 없음 이것은 아마도 mbd, 입의 혹, 또는 둘 다 때문일 것입니다. 다시 말하지만, 그녀는 즉각적인 수의학적 치료가 필요합니다.

그녀에게 무슨 일이 일어나고 있든 치료할 수 있기를 바랍니다. 만약 그녀가 mbd를 앓고 있다면, 이미 발생한 손상을 치료할 방법은 없습니다. 하지만 원인을 바로잡으면 더 이상의 손상을 막을 수 있습니다. 다시 말하지만, 제가 한 말을 이해하지 못한다면 알려주세요. 더 명확하게 설명하려고 노력하겠습니다. 훌륭한 자료로는 https://chameleonacademy.com/chameleon-husbandry-program-getting-started-with-chameleons/ 와 YouTube의 Neptune the Chameleon이 있습니다. YouTube 동영상에 자막을 설정할 수 있을 것 같습니다. Chameleon Academy에도 YouTube 동영상이 있는데, 도움이 된다면 말씀해 주세요. 수의사가 귀하의 귀여운 아름다움을 위해 무엇을 말하고 하는지 알려주세요.


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케이지 정보:

• 케이지 유형 - 케이지를 설명해 주세요(유리, 스크린, 콤보?) 치수는 어떻게 되나요?
• - 40*40*90 스크린 이것은 성인 카멜레온에게는 너무 작습니다. 필요한 최소 크기는 60x60x120입니다. 습도가 높은 지역에 살고 있다면 스크린이 완벽합니다. 건조한 지역에 살고 있다면 하이브리드(스크린과 유리 또는 아크릴의 혼합)가 완벽합니다.
• 조명 - 어떤 브랜드, 모델, 유형의 조명을 사용하고 있습니까? 매일 조명 일정은 어떻게 됩니까?
• - Exotera UVB 100 25w 이것은 큰 문제이고, 당신의 예쁜 소녀가 대사성 뼈 질환을 앓고 있고 다리의 혹은 아마도 심하게 골절된 뼈일 것이라고 말하는 사람이 되고 싶지 않습니다.나사형 UVB 조명은 카멜레온이 건강하게 지내는 데 필요한 UVB 수치를 제공할 수 없습니다.표준은 ReptiSun 5.0 또는 Arcadia 6%가 있는 긴 T5HO 조명기구입니다.UVB 전구의 경우 ReptiSun과 Arcadia만 추천할 수 있습니다.저는 ReptiZoo 브랜드를 시도했고 UVB 수치가 매우 낮았습니다.조명은 거의 1년 정도 후에 잘 작동하지만 전구는 끔찍했습니다.적절한 UVB 조명을 사용하면 햇볕을 쬐는 영역 위로 약 21cm 높이에 두어야 합니다.
• 온도 - 어떤 온도 범위를 만들었나요(케이지 바닥에서 햇볕 쬐는 곳까지)? 가장 낮은 야간 온도는? 어떻게 이 온도를 측정하시나요?
• - 25~29。
• - 오전 1-2시간, 스팟 전구
  30~35도 섭씨 온도가 너무 높습니다. 햇볕을 쬐는 온도는 26도 이하로 유지해야 합니다. 밤에는 최소 20도 이하로 낮출 수 있다면 완벽합니다. 우리 모두가 그렇게 시원한 밤을 보낼 수 있는 것은 아니지만 최선을 다해 노력합니다.
• 습도 - 습도 수준은 어떻습니까? 이 수준을 어떻게 만들고 유지합니까? 습도를 측정하는 데 무엇을 사용합니까?
• - 주간 40-60%,
  야간 20-30% 낮 동안 이상적인 습도는 30-50%입니다. 밤에 20도 이하의 시원한 온도를 유지할 수 있다면 밤에 몇 시간 동안 안개 발생기를 작동시켜 습도를 최대한 높일 수 있습니다. 이는 카멜레온이 야생에서 안개로 인해 얻는 수분을 시뮬레이션합니다.
• 식물 - 살아있는 식물을 사용하시나요? 그렇다면 어떤 종류인가요?
• - 스킨 다프수스 알겠습니다. 안전한 포토스 종류입니다. 베일드가 식물을 갉아먹는 걸 좋아하기 때문에 깨끗하고 안전하고 살아있는 식물만 사용하는 것이 중요합니다. 포토스는 완벽하지만, 더 추가하고 싶을 수도 있습니다. 안전한 식물의 그래픽을 아래에 몇 개 올립니다. 또한 제 사육장 중 하나(팬서 카멜레온용)의 사진을 추가하여 소녀에게 필요한 것이 무엇인지 알려줍니다.
  
  
• 배치 - 케이지는 어디에 있습니까? 선풍기, 통풍구 또는 사람이 많이 다니는 곳 근처에 있습니까? 케이지 상단은 방 바닥과 관련하여 얼마 높이입니까?
• 우리는 창문 앞에 있습니다. 그녀의 우리를 따뜻하게 하는 햇빛이 들어오나요? 있다면, 그녀를 멀리 옮겨서 과열되지 않도록 하는 것이 좋습니다. 또한, 당신은 그녀의 우리의 높이를 말하지 않았습니다. 카멜레온은 높은 곳에 있을 때 가장 안전하다고 느끼고 우리를 내려다볼 수 있는 것을 선호합니다.
  
  
• 위치 - 지리적으로 어디에 위치해 있습니까?
• - 대한민국

현재 문제 - 현재 귀하가 우려하는 문제입니다.
1. 목 안쪽의 설명할 수 없는 붓기 이게 뭔지 전혀 모르겠어요. 농양이거나 어떤 종류의 성장일 수도 있어요. 그녀가 먹지 못하게 막는다면 심각하고 즉각적인 수의학적 치료가 필요합니다.
2. 팔꿈치에 설명할 수 없는 붓기 이것은 매우 심한 골절이라고 생각합니다. 그러나 수의사만이 확실히 말할 수 있습니다. 그러나 그녀를 다룰 때는 매우 부드럽게 다루십시오. 그녀의 뼈는 아마도 매우 연약할 것입니다.
3. 음식을 삼킬 수 없음 매우 심각한 문제
4. 쉿쉿거리는 소리를 낸다. 그녀가 당신에게 쉿쉿거리는 소리를 내는 건가요, 아니면 그녀가 숨쉴 때처럼 항상 쉿쉿거리는 건가요? 우리가 너무 가까이 다가가면 카멜레온이 우리에게 쉿쉿거리는 것은 정상적인 일입니다. 다른 시간에 소리를 내는 것은 전혀 정상적인 일이 아니며 즉각적인 수의학적 치료가 필요합니다.
5. 혀를 제대로 쓸 수 없음 이것은 아마도 mbd, 입의 혹, 또는 둘 다 때문일 것입니다. 다시 말하지만, 그녀는 즉각적인 수의학적 치료가 필요합니다.

그녀에게 무슨 일이 일어나고 있든 치료할 수 있기를 바랍니다. 만약 그녀가 mbd를 앓고 있다면, 이미 발생한 손상을 치료할 방법은 없습니다. 하지만 원인을 바로잡으면 더 이상의 손상을 막을 수 있습니다. 다시 말하지만, 제가 한 말을 이해하지 못한다면 알려주세요. 더 명확하게 설명하려고 노력하겠습니다. 훌륭한 자료로는 https://chameleonacademy.com/chameleon-husbandry-program-getting-started-with-chameleons/ 와 YouTube의 Neptune the Chameleon이 있습니다. YouTube 동영상에 자막을 설정할 수 있을 것 같습니다. Chameleon Academy에도 YouTube 동영상이 있는데, 도움이 된다면 말씀해 주세요. 수의사가 귀하의 귀여운 아름다움을 위해 무엇을 말하고 하는지 알려주세요.


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감사합니다
she's leave me....

 

[MissSkittles]

감사합니다
she's leave me....

Oh no…do you mean she died? I’m so very sorry.

 

[Sonny13]

Oh no poor girl. I'm terrible sorry for your loss.

 

[ERKleRose]

I’m so sorry for your loss! At least she’s at peace now

 

[elizaann2]

Sending you love. I'm sorry for your loss.