I need urgent help - no exotic vet available until tomorrow!!
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CamoChameleonsHuman
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It is definitely not amplified. As sound and light travels it always desipates into nothingness.
Lennoncham
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“Glass that is transparent to visible light absorbs nearly all UVB. This is the wavelength range that can cause a sunburn, so it's true you can't get a sunburn through glass.
However, UVA is much closer to the visible spectrum than UVB. About 75% of UVA passes through ordinary glass. UVA leads to skin damage and genetic mutations that can lead to cancer. Glass does not protect you from skin damage from the sun. It affects indoor plants too. Have you ever taken an indoor plant outside and burned its leaves? This happens because the plant was unaccustomed to the higher levels of UVA found outside, compared with inside a sunny window.”
https://www.thoughtco.com/does-glass-block-uv-light-608316
I think this would be a much more probable explanation.
jamest0o0
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So I just read through first page to top of second, and really no one brings up that he's heating him to 70 degrees at night?! 99.9% of people do not have houses cold enough to bother a cham at night given that they heat up during the day. I guess all of my Panthers are just magical in that they did just fine getting as low as 50 during the winter. So much garbage info going around lately, these people have sick chameleons, it's not because they're going under 60 at night...
JackRipper
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Yes my VFT's when I first set them up out doors I had to limit them to morning and sunset rays only to acclimate them to high noon. They've spread to 2 more pots now lol they love California sun. But glass doesn't absorb uv rays it breaks them into smaller ones and shotgun blasts them into all directions. Maybe a gas filled dual pained window.
JackRipper
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Yeah I recommended he use a 25w ceramic if needed.. and go up from there to keep it above 60 at night.
Lennoncham
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im deffienitly not a light expert. But apparently @CamoChameleonsHuman is. And it sounds to me like you are thinking of uv radiation reacting to glass the same way light would go through a prism.
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Lennoncham
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We should start a new thread if we want to continue this. None of this is helping the op
Kaizen
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So, just to check: have you measured uvb through glass?
JackRipper
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Oh no light passes thru the glass some uvb will be absorbed or better put dissipated because if it was absorbed some how im sure the glas would explode..some uva actually will pass thru glass. All glass is not the same so exactly how much passes thru compared to how much is dissipated compared to that which is reflected or bounced is usually around 2% uv penetration 25 to 50% dissipation and the rest bounces off and carries on until it's 100% dissipated. We would ofcourse have to run test on any one piece of glass to determine roughly what the percentages would be at that time. And even that would be subject to change do to dissipation of uv if using a bulb to run the rest and the sun always changes so it's never going to repeat the same results. It's alotta fun tho.
JackRipper
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You'll just get a flicker of a reading it blocks almost all of it lol.. you already knew that tho
JackRipper
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I feel you will do great with the advice obtained today, I think we all learned alot from this thread the obvious to me is that the supplier set you up with lighting for a screen enclosure when you have a glass one. I'm sure your equipment would be perfect for a large screen cage so save it for summer time if you decide to set up a mesh/screen cage for outside/inside. I used to switch from glass to screen between winter and summer due to cold weather. Best of luck friendHey guys I really need some help with my 4 month old male panther chameleon.
We’ve had him for just under 2 weeks, and this morning out of the blue he just seemed really.. sick. He wasn’t moving from his branch in the morning like he usually does. He was a super pale colour, wouldn’t move his one eye, and is super weak. After coaxing him towards his basking spot he started getting more active, moving his eyes again and seemed like his normal self. My first reaction was to take him to the vets straight away, but after calling the breeder where we got him from, said that our husbandry issue was that his tank was near a window (we live in the uk) and that his tank temperature was dropping too low at night (around 65 but last night was really cold so it couldve been lower). So I went to the store and purchased a night heater so that the temperature levels wouldn’t drop so low. When I got home he was sitting in the cool side of the tank, all curled up and that same pale colour. I tried to move him but he wasn’t responsive at all,I desperately need to take him to a vets, but no emergency vet has an exotic specialist until the morning. Is there anything I should do to get him through the night before I’m able to go tomorrow? For some reason when I’ve taken him out he’s extremely active but in his cage he’s not.
I think my biggest issue is the dimming thermostat isnt getting the temperature high enough. I’m not sure why??! I’ve put on the night heater and the highest temperature it will go is 71, even when I put it on the highest gage.
Please help, I don’t want anything to happen to him. I feel like an idiot for not listening to my gut to go to the vets. I won’t forgive myself if anything happens to him.
CamoChameleonsHuman
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Never said I was an expert. Just can't deny the similarities in sound and light. Both are after all waves.
JackRipper
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My friend there are alot of different types of waves
sound is one of my favorite.. the Egyptian sonic drill for example using vibrations to cut stone. I just wanna know what they used that tuning fork for... boioioioiiing lol.. cant wait till we discover levitation via sound waves.. It's been said that it's an ancient lost technology that was used to knock down the walls of Jericho way back when.. fun stuff
skoram
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I think people are giving you different recommendations because ultimately it depends on several different factors, some of which include:
1. age of your chameleon (babies/young chameleons are more sensitive to UVB so weaker bulbs are recommended until adulthood)
2. mesh screen cover and thickness of mesh (obviously thicker mesh with tighter "weave" will reduce UVB more)
3. distance of bulb to chameleon's basking spot
4. whether your fixture is single-bulb with reflector (which gives off much higher levels of UVB) or multiple bulb fixture (i.e. it will be wider, so the reflector is less efficient at focusing UVB rays)
5. how much plant foliage/cover you have in the enclosure
6. type of bulb (T8 is the weakest, T5 a bit stronger and T5HO the strongest)
If you have a UVB meter this can solve a lot of guesswork involved with so many different factors. I'm not an expert but most people here seem to say that a UVI (UV Index) of around 3 is ideal at your chameleon's basking spot (i.e. the maximum UVB he can receive). There should also be numerous areas where he can receive various lower levels due either to cover from foliage or increased distance from the UVB bulb.
Given that your chameleon is still relatively young, I would recommend 5.0/6/0 which many people use without problems even for their adult chameleons.
P.S. your cham doesn't look too bad to me based on the photos of him on your hand. I'd be more worried if he was a very dark color.
JackRipper
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6% or lower in a glass tank. He's got a good size tank with 3walls covered in earth so 6% should be perfect.
JackRipper
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Agreed windows can be a death sentence either cooking or deep freezing your cham.
janjan20
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OP is that a heating or cooling unit behind the chams viv on the wall?
