Just Joined The Mistking club

[Jevin]

I definitely do, it's why I haven't gone bio active yet because I know it would be quite a challenge where I live, his new cage will have a 3" inch shower drain, and in his current cage, I have to empty the drainage bucket every day and a half and refill the reservoir at the same time. His cage has already dropped to 50% humidity.

 

[CamoChameleonsHuman]

No, I definitely don't, but I'm a scientist by nature, a Geologist to be precise, so environmental stuff is tight up my alley believe it or not, so I've researched into the environment my Panther lives in. I do want to upgrade my Cham's enclosure, like simulated sunrises and sunsets, and get more vegetation in there as well as a rain Nozzle so I can simulate an actual rainstorm. But unfortunately my funds are limited and tropical plants aren't cheap here. I know I don't know everything but logic dictates that to best care for an animal, place them in their ideal natural environment or as close as you can get to it.

But it doesn't rain in Ambilobe every hour for 5min? Lol I get where your heads at and I love it i do. I understand why you're misting so often too. You're using the mister as hydration and humidity control that I get. But there are other ways of controlling humidity rather than giving your Cham the equivalent of 1hr showers everyday.

 

[Jevin]

Yes, exactly, but unfortunately I don't have the means to do it, I'm also a university student so I have to unfortunately rely on more automation in my setup. Like the relative humidity here, rarely gets above 50% add on top that I live in a house with just a furnace, no humidifier or a/c.

So it is as you said, it's adjusting to your situation, and your local environment. For example, bearded dragons could thrive close to where I live and rattlesnakes actually do live naturally not far from where I live.

 

[Jevin]

It's just for me, podcasts don't seem to click. Instead I'll access the online database of research papers I have have access to to get data from research done on the environmental conditions of Madagascar and compare it to my local conditions. From there I actually use the environmental science I have to know for Geology to try and best mimic the natural environment to be the best best of my ability. It's a lot of more effort, but it's just the way I am. Trust me, I hate that I have to have as frequent and long mistings as I do, but due to cage design and my location and equipment available, I have to. Amazingly haven't had any major health issues and despite my chameleon being around 2 years old, he still does full body sheds that only last a day max, which I don't quite get.

 

[CamoChameleonsHuman]

It's just for me, podcasts don't seem to click. Instead I'll access the online database of research papers I have have access to to get data from research done on the environmental conditions of Madagascar and compare it to my local conditions. From there I actually use the environmental science I have to know for Geology to try and best mimic the natural environment to be the best best of my ability. It's a lot of more effort, but it's just the way I am. Trust me, I hate that I have to have as frequent and long mistings as I do, but due to cage design and my location and equipment available, I have to. Amazingly haven't had any major health issues and despite my chameleon being around 2 years old, he still does full body sheds that only last a day max, which I don't quite get.

Lookup foggers or humidifiers.

 

[Jevin]

Lookup foggers or humidifiers.

Had a couple of humidifier, sunfortunately thet actually struggled to keep the humidity maintained without frequently burning out their fans, same with foggers, just in too dry of an environment for them to be effective. Most humidifiers you can buy here are either hot mist or evaporative, ultrasonic, which is used for cool mist humidifiers and foggers are more difficult to find. That and my Panther hates the fog from either of them lol.

 

[CamoChameleonsHuman]

I run a $45 Walmart cool mist ultrasonic humidifier damn near non stop with no issues. My elevation is 5,000ft ASL and where I live it's basically Arizona in the summer and Canada in the winter and have no issues keeping humidity with 1min or 2min mistings every hour or two.

 

[Jevin]

I run a $45 Walmart cool mist ultrasonic humidifier damn near non stop with no issues. My elevation is 5,000ft ASL and where I live it's basically Arizona in the summer and Canada in the winter and have no issues keeping humidity with 1min or 2min mistings every hour or two.

Yeah, unfortunately with the heat, and lack of precipitation here, along with the wonderful occurrence of Chinooks (basically warm dry winds from the mountains, can clear 3 feet of snow in the middle of winter in a day when they occur easily.), I live in a very dry environment, running a humidifier constantly only managed to raise humidity by 5% above local relative humidity. Although I have considered building my own fogger rig with a better fan.

 

[Beman]

@Jevin Honestly I would be concerned about misting so frequently during the day with the heat lights on. It puts you at a higher risk of an RI. I do happen to enjoy the podcasts and the fact that he has people that are specialists on that have actually studied the chams in their natural environment. I think there are multiple options for increasing your humidity in the room without increasing your risk factor for an RI not too mention your cage does not have the ability to fully dry out in between so you are risking other issues there. But everyone has their way. I prefer mine for my Veiled keeping the humidity lower during the day and higher at night...

 

[Jevin]

@Jevin Honestly I would be concerned about misting so frequently during the day with the heat lights on. It puts you at a higher risk of an RI. I do happen to enjoy the podcasts and the fact that he has people that are specialists on that have actually studied the chams in their natural environment. I think there are multiple options for increasing your humidity in the room without increasing your risk factor for an RI not too mention your cage does not have the ability to fully dry out in between so you are risking other issues there. But everyone has their way. I prefer mine for my Veiled keeping the humidity lower during the day and higher at night...

And for a veiled that is actually ideal as they live in fog deserts naturally, places with high humidity but very little precipitation.

 

[Beman]

And for a veiled that is actually ideal as they live in fog deserts naturally, places with high humidity but very little precipitation.

This is actually not true... They have a rainy season where they are exposed to months of rain and then they have a dry season where the only moisture is from fog at night...

 

[Beman]

@alphakenc @bloftis1 please can we stay on topic in the thread... It is really hard to give feedback about the actual discussion with your posts that are off topic. Thank you so much for understanding.

 

[Jevin]

This is actually not true... They have a rainy season where they are exposed to months of rain and then they have a dry season where the only moisture is from fog at night...

Yeah, I know, but it's environment, in my opinion, tends to benefit from a cage with a fogger. I'm in the midst of building a new cage and plan on updating my environmental controls better.

 

[Beman]

Yeah, I know, but it's environment, in my opinion, tends to benefit from a cage with a fogger. I'm in the midst of building a new cage and plan on updating my environmental controls better.

Right but foggers should only be run in a cage at night when the room is coolest and there is no heat from lighting. Typically most people run them from 12am-4am or 1am-5am

 

[Jevin]

Unfortunately you'd have to ask @JIFFYPOP if it's okay, it's his thread lol

 

[bloftis1]

Haha, no problem, I'm confused why two people, who while ranked higher than me, are both very new to the site compared to me are trying to correct my based on their observations and no reference to the actual situation I have to deal with lol. I didn't remember there being so much much drama on here the last time I was on.

Neither do I. Everything has been quite interesting since the other night... I guess over time you see what kind of person everyone is on here. Lol thank you for understanding!

 

[Jevin]

Yeah, true. Also confusing when you consider that my first reptile and pet was a Female Yemen Chameleon that lived for four and a half years and was an egg laying machine no matter what I did. Chameleons aren't generally considered a starter reptile, much less a starter pet, so I must have been doing something right to have mine live that long and lay so many infertile eggs.

 

[jamest0o0]

@Jevin no disrespect, I remember you from a while back and I don't see any problem with regular mistings if you want to do that... but Madagascar has many climates, Panthers are found in areas where there are times of little precipitation. There is a CBP episode about it and you can simply look up the areas they're from. When this happens though I wouldn't be surprised that many die and i doubt that it's beneficial. Day time humidity isn't really the issue though unless it's dipping into like the <30 range. High nighttime humidity is the key. Petr necas has pretty much proved this.

 

[Jevin]

@Jevin no disrespect, I remember you from a while back and I don't see any problem with regular mistings if you want to do that... but Madagascar has many climates, Panthers are found in areas where there are times of little precipitation. There is a CBP episode about it and you can simply look up the areas they're from. When this happens though I wouldn't be surprised that many die and i doubt that it's beneficial. Day time humidity isn't really the issue though unless it's dipping into like the <30 range. High nighttime humidity is the key. Petr necas has pretty much proved this.

Higher nighttime humidity for them? Like despite the frequent mistings, his cage drys out quick.

 

[JIFFYPOP]

Unfortunately you'd have to ask @JIFFYPOP if it's okay, it's his thread lol

Sorry just got back online, don't know whats going on, but sure, lol. Use my thread