Male Veiled digging hole

Ok, we dusted in accordance to what the shop told us, so we have dusted the crickets with "Calypso Dust" (says it is pure, natural calcium) 3 times a week, and then twice a week we have dusted with "Nutrobal" (which says it has calcium, D3 and vitamins A, E, K, B1, B2, B6, B12, C, folic, nicotinic & pantothenic acid, plus minerals). The other two days the crickets aren't dusted. The crickets are also fed on a mixture of bug grub, bee pollen and fresh fruit and vegetables, plus the bug gel for hydration. I have noticed this evening that when he went for the waxworm on my hand he couldnt seem to get his tongue out again, and then lost interest in it.

He had 2 calcium injections at the vets, but to be honest the bill wasn't that huge. I tried getting him to take the visorbin, but there was serious hissing and going for me, so i managed to just get it on his mouth! I know he needs it, but i am wondering if it will be a case of too much stress? At least he's back to his really pale greens!
 
since the calcium deficiency can be restored with healthy gutload and correct supplements (plus, he already have calcium injections), I say treat him as if you are treating a female veiled.
If he likes digging then go ahead and give him the bucket of moist sands.

as long as he's happy and healthy, i say let him dig to his heart content.
I'm sorry... but, i probably missed reading it from the previous post, what exactly visorbin suppose to do for your cham?
and you say the lazy tongue begin after the visorbin?
It could be stress from medication administering as well.
 
I think the visorbin is for the calcium deficiency. We have to give him 0.1ml per day, but he gets SO agressive. I pointed this out to the vets and they said i would have to be forceful, as they were when they gave him some. Before he went in his tongue was fine. I managed to get him interested in a waxworm earlier, but he really struggled to get his tongue out (I had to put it really close to his mouth) and had to swallow a couple of times to take it down. In fact if he cant get it straight away, he tends to lose interest and walk away.
 
Just looked visorbin up on the net and this is what i have found - "Vi-Sorbin is a vitamin and mineral supplement that contains iron, vitamins B6 and B12, folic acid and sorbitol". Why would that be needed?
 
WelshOneEmma said:
Just looked visorbin up on the net and this is what i have found - "Vi-Sorbin is a vitamin and mineral supplement that contains iron, vitamins B6 and B12, folic acid and sorbitol". Why would that be needed?
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tell your vet that he now has problem with his tongue after administering visorbin and see if she agrees on discontinuing the visorbin treatment for a while or she insist on administering it regardless.
The lazy tongue concerns me the most.
I am not a vet. Perhaps, some other senior members can add some insights to these dilemma. Isn't there used to be a thread when the cham is having trouble shooting the tongue from calcium defficiency? or is it due to vit B?
 
We have already made arrangements to take him in tomorrow to see what could be the problem. He's certainly making things interesting!
 
Right, went back into the vets this morning to check out the tongue issue, whilst we were there the vet had a little feel, said she felt something and thought it was a girl, so we made the decision to have him/her stay in to be monitored, plus have an x-ray. And the official version is.............We have a GIRL. definite egg shapes on the x-ray, but said they were still high up so not ready to be laid yet. Is having another calcium injection (can't hurt) and stopping the visorbin due to the stress of trying to administer it. Also recommended reptoboost for the water. Tongue was checked out whilst she was under and that is healthy looking too.

So the general consensus is a healthy girl! At least now we know! Thanks for everyone's help on this though, it has been greatly appreciated!
 
WelshOneEmma said:
Right, went back into the vets this morning to check out the tongue issue, whilst we were there the vet had a little feel, said she felt something and thought it was a girl, so we made the decision to have him/her stay in to be monitored, plus have an x-ray. And the official version is.............We have a GIRL. definite egg shapes on the x-ray, but said they were still high up so not ready to be laid yet. Is having another calcium injection (can't hurt) and stopping the visorbin due to the stress of trying to administer it. Also recommended reptoboost for the water. Tongue was checked out whilst she was under and that is healthy looking too.

So the general consensus is a healthy girl! At least now we know! Thanks for everyone's help on this though, it has been greatly appreciated!
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congrats!!! Finally, the mystery revealed.
What a unique girl veiled you have.
now, you just need to provide bucket of moist sand and try to leave her alone when she dig :)
 
Yeah, she has a bucket of moist sand and also the substrate (seems to prefer that), so just going to cover the bottom half of the tank with cardboard to give her some privacy. Now, the next major problem is finding a new name! She was called Draig (welsh for Dragon) but i feel this is too masculine!
 
IMHO the next major problem is getting her to lay the eggs. Please do not let her see you when she is digging as it will make her abandon the hole. She needs to be let alone to lay the eggs so you don't push her towards eggbinding IMHO. If you have to feed, water, medicate her then I would recommend you only do it when she is up in the branches (not digging).

Calcium issues have often been related to tongue issues. There was one thread that talked about vitamin B issues...but I have never heard of that being a cause before.

Good luck!
 
She is left alone now that we know the issue, the lights go on in the morning and the tank is misted regularly, but only when she is up the top. When she is digging we leave her alone and it has been like that for the past few days.
 
Update

Unfortunately Draig passed away last night. She progressivley got weaker over the last few days, refused food and water (only offered when she was out of the holes) and was rushed into the vets last night. They tried giving her some food via syringe (AD cat food) and there was no struggling or hissing (really weak) and it went straight through her. She also had some more calcium, but she went downhill so quickly, and then died late last night. The vet said that there was evidence of MBD from when she was young, and that we didn't do anything wrong. We are paying for a full autopsy though, as i need to know if i was responsible for this.
 
I am so sorry to hear. Things never sounded quite right so I am not thinking this was NOT your fault. You did everything you could. I would stay away from the Petstores and find a reputable breeder when you get another one.
 
Hi Juli,

Thanks (although i am hoping you meant you were thinking it wasn't my fault, rather than not thinking it was not my fault! :)). i am just completly devastated, and until we know the cause i refuse to get another. i can't handle the thought that i am responsible. The vet said there were signs of developmental MBD and that she was sick when she came to us. heartbreaking to watch her go downhill like that and not be able to do anything about it.
 
:( That's so sad.:( I've followed Draig's story since you first posted. I'm sorry to hear that she didn't make it - I know that I would be totally devastated if anything happened to Lily. These wonderful creatures very quickly become one of the family.

Best wishes,
Tiff
 
WelshOneEmma said:
Hi Juli,

Thanks (although i am hoping you meant you were thinking it wasn't my fault, rather than not thinking it was not my fault! :)). i am just completly devastated, and until we know the cause i refuse to get another. i can't handle the thought that i am responsible. The vet said there were signs of developmental MBD and that she was sick when she came to us. heartbreaking to watch her go downhill like that and not be able to do anything about it.
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Wow-I cannot type early in the morning-I do NOT think it your fault.
 
Thanks everyone, it really has been upsetting. We had a call from the vet today (we paid for an autopsy to see if we were responsible) and she said that her kidneys were huge (she would never have been able to pass the eggs that were there), her liver was enlarged and that she had urate build up throughout her body, and that she died of Gout, which they believe was caused by MBD. They also said that this was a pre-existing condition, and that it was nothing to do with us or our husbandry, and that she believes the MBD was caused when she was very young. So I feel relieved to know that it wasn't my fault, but upset to know that she suffered so much. We have now found a breeder who does it for a hobby rather than a business, so should we get another, we will get one from him rather than a shop. I will tell the shop though, as they may want to reconsider their provider.
 
Glad you found out the reasons. It is still hard to lose them. I find here that the Petstores get them from well intentioned people alot of times and then the Petstores are to blame by cramming the animals into too small glass display tanks with no lighting or supplementing. Then people buy them already too damaged to survive. I do hope you get another one. They are very rewarding when healthy.
 
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