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[Haileybug]

I have a Jacksons chameleon male
He seems as if he's lost interest in his food he refuses to eat out of a cup or my hand anymore I free range in and out his cage I just started out his cage Bc that's the only way I'd see him eat but now no.
He does drink ALOT everyday and he seems to be making shaky motions when he walks or even just sitting still
I'm about to run out of calcium without d3 no where here has it it's take over a month to come in if ordered so I was woundering if anyone knew of it was ok to use the oyster shell vitamins at Walmart would that be ok ?

 

[Remkon]

So you had him for like a month and a half and you already run out of calcium?

Assuming you bought the calcium after you got the cham there's no way you should already be running out.
It's a montane species, they don't require calcium evey feeding, your crickets should also be dusted lightly, not completely covered in powder.

Shaky motions could be that he's scared and trying to blend in, the shaking is to imitate a leave blowing in the wind... But there's no way of saying that for sure without seeing it.

And if you know calcium is hard to come by, ehy not order alot?
It should stay usable for a very long time so you can stock up.

 

[Vincentuanluu]

Um how is that possible ? I know you had a veiled before not so long ago like a month? And you just had this Jackson so even if you had an old calcium... You shouldn't run out. You posted a picture of the big tub of calcium you said you brought at petsmart or petco or whatever you said cause you're confusing with your stories. I have 3 chameleons for almost 3-4 months and I'm not even 3/4 down yet..

 

[Vincentuanluu]

dont overdose your Jackson. He's a montane and from your pictures he looks like a adult? Subadult? They don't need it everyday

 

[Nursemaia]

There's something wrong with this story

 

[Vincentuanluu]

There's something wrong with this story

She should be a story writer if she learned how to write a proper sentence with her degree in whatever she said.

 

[jajeanpierre]

I have a Jacksons chameleon male
He seems as if he's lost interest in his food he refuses to eat out of a cup or my hand anymore I free range in and out his cage I just started out his cage Bc that's the only way I'd see him eat but now no.
He does drink ALOT everyday and he seems to be making shaky motions when he walks or even just sitting still
I'm about to run out of calcium without d3 no where here has it it's take over a month to come in if ordered so I was woundering if anyone knew of it was ok to use the oyster shell vitamins at Walmart would that be ok ?

Gosh, Haileybug, we answered this before when you had that pathetic veiled that died from neglect (you acknowledged at the time that you had neglected her). Or was it when you got this one? When was that, all of a month ago?

I'm impressed you will once again throw this forum into a tizzy. Congratulations.

I'm also impressed you can take an adult animal in apparent good health and bring him down so quickly. That takes real talent. I often wonder how people can actually kill a chameleon so quickly. I just can't do it--they just don't die on me so easily. I just don't know how you can not get even the bare minimum right with so many posts from people offering reasonably good information.

I hope people won't rise to the bait and respond to you. You are either a troll or someone so unable or unwilling to offer a chameleon the bare minimum of care that will allow it to remain healthy in your care for even a month. Whether or not you really are a troll is truly irrelevant because, speaking only for myself, I have found you to be a total waste of my time, my effort and my heart. All the good information, time and effort people give you is for naught.

I wish you would go away and kill your chameleons in private so we don't have to suffer their demise when we can do nothing to help them. Perhaps I am the only one who has given up on you and the "we" in the preceding sentence should be an "I".

To the moderators, I apologize in advance if this is considered a personal attack. I do not believe it is, but a reasonably accurate portrayal of this member's history and care, based on her own words and descriptions as posted on this forum.

 

[Vincentuanluu]

Gosh, Haileybug, we answered this before when you had that pathetic veiled that died from neglect (you acknowledged at the time that you had neglected her). Or was it when you got this one? When was that, all of a month ago?

I'm impressed you will once again throw this forum into a tizzy. Congratulations.

I'm also impressed you can take an adult animal in apparent good health and bring him down so quickly. That takes real talent. I often wonder how people can actually kill a chameleon so quickly. I just can't do it--they just don't die on me so easily. I just don't know how you can not get even the bare minimum right with so many posts from people offering reasonably good information.

I hope people won't rise to the bait and respond to you. You are either a troll or someone so unable or unwilling to offer a chameleon the bare minimum of care that will allow it to remain healthy in your care for even a month. Whether or not you really are a troll is truly irrelevant because, speaking only for myself, I have found you to be a total waste of my time, my effort and my heart. All the good information, time and effort people give you is for naught.

I wish you would go away and kill your chameleons in private so we don't have to suffer their demise when we can do nothing to help them. Perhaps I am the only one who has given up on you and the "we" in the preceding sentence should be an "I".

To the moderators, I apologize in advance if this is considered a personal attack. I do not believe it is, but a reasonably accurate portrayal of this member's history and care, based on her own words and descriptions as posted on this forum.

 

[Vincentuanluu]

Oops seem didn't add my emoji lol

On point Janet

 

[Nursemaia]

I think Haileybug has some sort of personality disorder. Either a sociopath because she lacks empathy and enjoys watching her chameleons suffer and die or she has borderline personality disorder because she creates drama end enjoys all of the attention she is getting from this. Either way I think she meets the definition of a troll and should be banned from this page because she is clearly not capable of using this as a resource and the only thing she manages to do it's get the other members worked up into a tizzy.

 

[Carlton]

So you had him for like a month and a half and you already run out of calcium?

Assuming you bought the calcium after you got the cham there's no way you should already be running out.
It's a montane species, they don't require calcium evey feeding, your crickets should also be dusted lightly, not completely covered in powder.

Shaky motions could be that he's scared and trying to blend in, the shaking is to imitate a leave blowing in the wind... But there's no way of saying that for sure without seeing it.

And if you know calcium is hard to come by, ehy not order alot?
It should stay usable for a very long time so you can stock up.

Even montane species need PLAIN calcium (without D3) daily...just not a heavy coating. Its the calcium with D3 you need to cut back on.

 

[Remkon]

Even montane species need PLAIN calcium (without D3) daily...just not a heavy coating. Its the calcium with D3 you need to cut back on.

Not according to the caresheet...

Supplementation:
Calcium and other vitamins are very important to your chameleon's health. Feeder insects should be lightly dusted with powdered supplement before being fed to your chameleon. As a montane species (native to higher altitudes) Jackson's have decreased supplementation requirements compared to tropical species due to metabolism differences. Use calcium (without D3 or phosphorus) twice a week, a multivitamin once a month, and calcium with D3 once a month.

 

[Carlton]

I have a Jacksons chameleon male
He seems as if he's lost interest in his food he refuses to eat out of a cup or my hand anymore I free range in and out his cage I just started out his cage Bc that's the only way I'd see him eat but now no.
He does drink ALOT everyday and he seems to be making shaky motions when he walks or even just sitting still
I'm about to run out of calcium without d3 no where here has it it's take over a month to come in if ordered so I was woundering if anyone knew of it was ok to use the oyster shell vitamins at Walmart would that be ok ?

Haileybug, if you agree to hear this information as it is written, I will answer your questions one more time, because I care about your jackson's.

If he's drinking a lot every single day, chances are he is dehydrated. Dehydrated chams lose their appetite and interest in food. You must track the cage humidity and double check how you provide him with water. He won't survive if you don't pay attention. You can crush plain calcium oystershell into a fine powder and use that as a calcium dust. It must be very finely crushed, and cannot have ANYTHING ELSE in it. No vitamins or other additives. A safer option is to get a cuttlebone or calcium mineral block for cage birds at a pet shop and crush that.

 

[Carlton]

Not according to the caresheet...

!!!! You are right! I haven't kept jax for a long long time and this didn't register. Thanks Remkon!

 

[Remkon]

!!!! You are right! I haven't kept jax for a long long time and this didn't register. Thanks Remkon!

we all learn, as did I... I recently changed it according to this caresheet too

 

[jajeanpierre]

Not according to the caresheet...

Oh, I wish this discussion weren't on this thread.....

I don't believe anyone really knows. There just isn't any research and for someone to refer to a difference in metabolism is likely not backed up by any science or studies. The quotes you are using are probably the practices of someone who has success with the species. There is more to success with any species than just diet and supplementation.

I supplement my montanes heavily with plain calcium. Every feeding, almost every animal. I am less worried about an adult male and especially not worried about an adult male wild caught that came into captivity as an adult (as long as I am not worried about who kept him before me, etc.) It might not be right, but I haven't had problems and have had females that were prolific layers that regularly had clutches twice the "normal" size whose bones look really good on xray. Again, it might not be correct.

Calcium tends to not be absorbed if over supplemented--the gut can only absorb so much.

All the above said, I might be doing it all wrong.

 

[Remkon]

Oh, I wish this discussion weren't on this thread.....

I don't believe anyone really knows. There just isn't any research and for someone to refer to a difference in metabolism is likely not backed up by any science or studies. The quotes you are using are probably the practices of someone who has success with the species. There is more to success with any species than just diet and supplementation.

I supplement my montanes heavily with plain calcium. Every feeding, almost every animal. I am less worried about an adult male and especially not worried about an adult male wild caught that came into captivity as an adult (as long as I am not worried about who kept him before me, etc.) It might not be right, but I haven't had problems and have had females that were prolific layers that regularly had clutches twice the "normal" size whose bones look really good on xray. Again, it might not be correct.

Calcium tends to not be absorbed if over supplemented--the gut can only absorb so much.

All the above said, I might be doing it all wrong.

Im not an expert but I think you are right.
Since you have successfully kept and raised probably more chams than I ever will who am I to disagree.

I blindly adjusted my habit in dusting daily to what's described in the caresheet but I don't think it will be harmful if done every feeding as long as you don't overdo it.

To much will likely just be discarded off by the body just like most other vitamins and minerals.

The 'nasty stuff' is D3 since it can be harmful for your animal if overdosed and since the body can't easily discard D3 it can stack up and end up being harmful.
At least that's what I've been reading.
(On the Dutch reptile forums where I also read the majority is against supplementing D3 all together since it would likely do more harm than good.)

To be honest I liked dusting calcium every feeding since it was an easy schedule to keep to. Every 1st of the month vitamins and minerals (mine has d3 in it) every other feeding calcium without D3.

There's probably a lot of ways to do it right. In nature they will also receive calcium, vitamins and minerals based on what's available im their location and time of the year.

 

[Lizzie The Chameleon]

Guys give haileybug a break. She just got over the incredibly sad loss of her veiled who she loved. I agree, she made some mistakes, but we ALL do at one point. At least she's worried! The only dumb question to ask is to NOT ask. I would increase the misting and offer varieties of feeders. He may just not be hungry today my veiled has done that for 2-3 days sometimes. If yours doesn't come around, I recommend going to a vet. As of the calcium situation, I'm really not sure what to do. Good luck Haileybug!

 

[jajeanpierre]

Im not an expert but I think you are right.
Since you have successfully kept and raised probably more chams than I ever will who am I to disagree.

I blindly adjusted my habit in dusting daily to what's described in the caresheet but I don't think it will be harmful if done every feeding as long as you don't overdo it.

To much will likely just be discarded off by the body just like most other vitamins and minerals.

The 'nasty stuff' is D3 since it can be harmful for your animal if overdosed and since the body can't easily discard D3 it can stack up and end up being harmful.
At least that's what I've been reading.
(On the Dutch reptile forums where I also read the majority is against supplementing D3 all together since it would likely do more harm than good.)

To be honest I liked dusting calcium every feeding since it was an easy schedule to keep to. Every 1st of the month vitamins and minerals (mine has d3 in it) every other feeding calcium without D3.

There's probably a lot of ways to do it right. In nature they will also receive calcium, vitamins and minerals based on what's available im their location and time of the year.

I'm taking this private since I don't want to encourage the OP in any way shape or form.

 

[Brad]

Please refrain from making personal attacks. Even if you think they are warranted in a particular situation they can discourage other members from seeking help in the future.