My Chameleons are mating!!! (As I type this!)

[Schmitt360]

So first off, I have a 8 month old male nosy be and a 10 month old female half BB ambilobe and half BB ambanja. I've been lately letting them sunbath together outside in a ficus tree over the last month. The male has never showed any interest in her and I assumed he was still too young to mate. They never bother each other either and never seem to stress eachother out so I didn't see anyharm In letting them chill outside in the same tree.

I walked away for no more than 3 min. and come back to them doin the hippity dippity!!!!! So my first question is.... are they even able to properly mate being slightly young and different locales??? also, does anyone have any pictures of what the offspring may possibly look like??

I am mindboggled right now! lmao! This wasn't quite in the plan.

 

[beeze]

Your female is too young to mate. Females should not be breed until over a year old.

 

[draetish]

Maybe they were just practicing!

 

[Syn]

You seem rather excited for something you should be worried and concerned about.

 

[Schmitt360]

wow, really people!? How about instead of critisizing you actually provide some help and advice. Thank You.

 

[ColorCham427]

3 minutes is enough time for tons of bad things to happen.

Them being different locales doesn't mean much, she'll lay eggs and they might hatch and might emerge as healthy babies and live on etc. etc.

Males can mate at very young ages.

Females basically get raped... so yeah... that sums it up. Is she too young? 10 months isn't all that too young, I wouldn't practice it until females are atleast 12 months old.

Also, depends on her size. How much does she weigh?

Separate to be cool. Hopfully he didn't get it in yet...


I obviously don't care what people think about me after I say this, but I hate the fact that people continue to sell female crosses to just anybody. I know they have to make room and find homes... But come on.....

 

[hallenhe]

The different locales should not prevent mating/fertile offspring (forum member julirs has had an Ambilobe x Nosy Be clutch, and the genetic variation between different panther morphs is not sufficient to prevent viable offspring). While people generally don't try to mate females that young, you weren't trying to, and if they had met in nature, there would have been no chaperone saying "Wait a minute there, young lady!" Just be ready to up her calcium as she progresses (if the mating "takes" and she becomes gravid) and provide a laying bin at the appropriate time, and read up on what you need for incubation, babies, etc.

 

[BocaJan]

In the wild a male will find a female and mate if she is receptive. I'm sure they don't exchange birth dates. She would lay infertiles if she doesn't hook up with a male, so her body still has to create the eggs.

I think the "wait a year" is a good idea if you want to keep your lady around for as long as she can and as healthy as she can be. However, 10 months isn't awful. Make sure she gets her calcium and is well hydrated and she will be fine.

 

[saltwaterguy02]

You seem rather excited for something you should be worried and concerned about.

Why is he not allowed to be excited? It’s not like he was trying to mate them. Like he said they hung out together before and he hadn’t had any problems. Im sure it was just a hit and miss. 10 months isn’t anything to be concerned about. I like to wait 14 months before breeding or introducing them together.

 

[chameleonneeds]

I would wait till they are atleast the right size/weight before breeding which will be around 9 months +. Please people dont write such hateful comments. 10 months is more than fine!

 

[Julirs]

I obviously don't care what people think about me after I say this, but I hate the fact that people continue to sell female crosses to just anybody. I know they have to make room and find homes... But come on.....

I agree with this.

The different locales should not prevent mating/fertile offspring (forum member julirs has had an Ambilobe x Nosy Be clutch, and the genetic variation between different panther morphs is not sufficient to prevent viable offspring).

I have a mixed clutch because I thought that I had a female Nosy and I obviously did not. I really don't have a problem with people that do mix locales, I just don't like that mixed females end up out there and actually mixed males and we keep muddying the gene pools.

I would wait till they are atleast the right size/weight before breeding which will be around 9 months +. Please people dont write such hateful comments. 10 months is more than fine!

10 months is fine with a healthy female of adequate size.

 

[Todnedo]

So first off, I have a 8 month old male nosy be and a 10 month old female half BB ambilobe and half BB ambanja. I've been lately letting them sunbath together outside in a ficus tree over the last month. The male has never showed any interest in her and I assumed he was still too young to mate. They never bother each other either and never seem to stress eachother out so I didn't see anyharm In letting them chill outside in the same tree.

I walked away for no more than 3 min. and come back to them doin the hippity dippity!!!!! So my first question is.... are they even able to properly mate being slightly young and different locales??? also, does anyone have any pictures of what the offspring may possibly look like??

I am mindboggled right now! lmao! This wasn't quite in the plan.

If your not 100% committed to raising them. I wouldn't incubate them.
There is a lot of time and money involved in raising panthers.
Being a mix locale it will be tough to place them all in good homes.

 

[reptileman]

if they did not successfully breed I would recomend waiting until the female is a little bit older. It could be dangerous to breed females too early.

 

[legacy115833]

I obviously don't care what people think about me after I say this, but I hate the fact that people continue to sell female crosses to just anybody. I know they have to make room and find homes... But come on.....

i know what your saying but whats your big beef are you really worried that your gonna buy a cham off some random dude that is breeding different locales together? or would you just purchase your cham from a reputable breeder it doesnt matter who buys these animals its all about where you get yours sorry to steal space in your thread man i just hate it when people get shitty on here its unnecessary either help the person or go away seriously this forum has too many people that just criticize people instead of helping people

 

[Lizardlover]

i know what your saying but whats your big beef are you really worried that your gonna buy a cham off some random dude that is breeding different locales together? or would you just purchase your cham from a reputable breeder it doesnt matter who buys these animals its all about where you get yours sorry to steal space in your thread man i just hate it when people get shitty on here its unnecessary either help the person or go away seriously this forum has too many people that just criticize people instead of helping people

Well, locale purity is a huge issue, whether or not youve researched enough about it to know is your deal but the fact that you would get off topic to rant is beyond me. Females shouldn't mate IMO unless they are a year + but at 10 months you shouldn't have trouble with her. You need to make sure you specify these are cross-bred locales. One example of someone who was SOL because they bought a different locality female is Julirs, she thought she was going to have nice nosy babies, but being that someone sold her a different locale female, and did not specify it, she ended up with crossbreed babies. It is extremely difficult to classify locality from females, which is why selling cross-locale females is looked down upon by many.

 

[pantherlover]

reaserch caring for the young ones & label the chams as exactly what they are when you gotta part with them. its good not to encourage breeding crosses so but whats done is done so take good care. extra calcium & food for the lady, laying bin and some extra privacy for her. the teenage male is probaby a real happy guy right now. he can just chill & bask in his own young manhood hope the female is big enough

 

[Syn]

Why is he not allowed to be excited? It’s not like he was trying to mate them. Like he said they hung out together before and he hadn’t had any problems. Im sure it was just a hit and miss. 10 months isn’t anything to be concerned about. I like to wait 14 months before breeding or introducing them together.

No, but the proper precautions were not taken to prevent something like this from happening. Just because it has happened before doesn't mean that it won't happen later on. 10 months is nothing to be concerned about?

 

[warpdrive]

Well, locale purity is a huge issue, whether or not youve researched enough about it to know is your deal but the fact that you would get off topic to rant is beyond me. Females shouldn't mate IMO unless they are a year + but at 10 months you shouldn't have trouble with her. You need to make sure you specify these are cross-bred locales. One example of someone who was SOL because they bought a different locality female is Julirs, she thought she was going to have nice nosy babies, but being that someone sold her a different locale female, and did not specify it, she ended up with crossbreed babies. It is extremely difficult to classify locality from females, which is why selling cross-locale females is looked down upon by many.

So what does buying or selling a cross female have to do with buying a mislabled non cross female again?
Oh, right, nothing.
What happened to Julirs has nothing to do with crosses but bad salesmanship practices.
Sadly, this can happen to anyone even if crosses weren't around.

Harry

 

[Olimpia]

If your not 100% committed to raising them. I wouldn't incubate them.
There is a lot of time and money involved in raising panthers.
Being a mix locale it will be tough to place them all in good homes.

I agree. If you want the babies, then fantastic, go ahead and incubate them and do all you can for mom and the babies. But consider that it will not be easy selling all the crossed babies, so you cannot get them good homes easily. So unless you are sure you know what to do with them, I wouldn't incubate them. Sounds horrible, but you might have 20 babies on your hands and that's a lot of little chams to take care of.

 

[Elizadolots]

yikes...

congratulations on the copulation... I guess I hope it doesn't take because that seems like a lot of work for you and her. If it does take, I'm quite sure you can find homes for the babies that do not threaten the world of chameleon collectors. Contact the science teachers at the middle and high schools close to you, tell them what you have (this is after babies are hatched!). They'll almost certainly find kids who want to take the babies. Please do not do give any babies to kids until the babies are at least 3 months old.

I'm quite sure that some will decry this as horrible because kids can't possible handle chameleons, but I think those people are wrong. Teens are certainly capable of handling chameleons. They handle things they care about very well...the perception that they can't cope is largely based on adults expecting them to care about things teens find meaningless.

I'll also note that many of the people who will decry this as horrible probably advocate not incubating the eggs...I say, if we're writing off that life as not worthy, why not get some meaning out of the fertilized egg?

Many of us have had some pretty horrible early owner experiences....why not let some kids experience that with animals that would not benefit the breeding community? And, chances are, those kids will do fine by those chameleons and the kids will learn so, so much....