My Cham's Shocking Post-Purchase Exam

[cyberlocc]

I respect all veterinarian out there cause they are the one who earns their careers not me or u or thousands of the chameleon forum members.
I dont think u can just easily to get online n became a true veterinarian,as far as I know,they require and need to maintain a competitive GPA preferably 3.5 or higher,they also need their animal and clinical experience and their GRE(Graduate record examination)and not to mention they also need their letters of recommendation so if u think u can just take a online courses to be a vet,thats not how it goes!!
As far as the op states that she is a beginner of the chameleon owner,maybe its possible that there is a missing link information between her well known vet n her,so my best suggestion for u is wait n see what the other party has to say,before we give our opinion here,there are always a different type of the knowledge Waiting for alphakenc to discover!!!

And all this means?

You have to have a higher GPA and more schooling to become a neurosurgeon and they still dont know a lick about a skin tag. You took all that and just let it go one ear and out the other.

Just becomes someone is a vet or even a reptile Vet doesn't mean they know anything at all about chameleons and most of them dont.

 

[Matt Vanilla Gorilla]

Has this vet ever heard of chameleon? He must have thaught you had a uromastyx! Dump the vet!!!

 

[alphakenc]

No it does mean lots thing,cause they earn it by years of study then practice,which you should always remember we should never underestimated every vets,and since we are disagree with each other on this,I dont want to waste your time n mine on this subject anylonger,I can not tell u what to believe n same way goes to u!!

 

[Matt Vanilla Gorilla]

No it does mean lots thing,cause they earn it by years of study then practice,which you should always remember we should never underestimated every vets,and since we are disagree with each other on this,I dont want to waste your time n mine on this subject anylonger,I can not tell u what to believe n same way goes to u!!

No, no, no, you misunderstood me! I would never say such things about a vet! At least not a real one!

 

[alphakenc]

No, no, no, you misunderstood me! I would never say such things about a vet! At least not a real one!

That reply was not for u matt,its for cyberlocc.

 

[cyberlocc]

No, no, no, you misunderstood me! I would never say such things about a vet! At least not a real one!

Yep me too, I would never say that about a vet. At least not one that is worth the title, which this guy is obviously not.

If he doesn't know much about chams, thats not a thing to hate on him for. However giving bad advice instead of admitting you do not know that is not cool.

 

[alphakenc]

And below will be my final stand for what I already wrote n believe,say no more!!!


I do praise @PascalDean good motive to seek for a Vet check up exam,n I also agree with the live insect should be fed instead of Repashy Grub & Fruit Gecko diet,perhaps the vet thinks that the excessive amount of the Protozoa parasites are coming from the live insects u feeding him with??
My suggestion is ask ur current vet what is the real reason behind n also get a second opinion from a different well known chameleon specialist vet for their opinions.

 

[Matt Vanilla Gorilla]

We have some members here who are vetrenerians. I sure hope they see this post and pipe in! When a chameleon is so sick that they show no interest in food, when they sit there with their eyes closed and have no energy to hunt and eat due to illness or malnourishment, then you can feed them pulp, yup even force feed them, though it is still very risky, it might be their only way to survive! This, though, could not and should not be done long term!!! The chameleon should start eating a big variety of healthy, well gutloaded bugs on his/her own as soon as possible if you want your chameleon to be healthy! This I promise you! Cross my heart and hope to die! I pinky promise you!!!

 

[Extensionofgreen]

I don't think as a temporary or permanent ( I was under the impression it was temporary ) protocol, force feeding a chameleon, that would eat on its own, poses more negatives, than good. It will cause stress, it will risk mouth injury, aspiration is a risk, choking could occur, and chameleons aren't geckos. The fruit in the gecko diet is not good as a regular, substantial part of an insectivore's diet. Yes, veileds graze vegetation and can have fruit, but fruit is high in phosphorus, is acidic, and is not a regular part of the natural diet.

 

[alphakenc]

The moral of alphakenc story is never try to be my friends unless u are sincerely truthful,I know all the haters are since day one,dont ever take my kindness for granted!!!

 

[cyberlocc]

The moral of alphakenc story is never try to be my friends unless u are sincerely truthful,I know all the haters are since day one,dont ever take my kindness for granted!!!

No one is hating on you, we are hating on that vet.

 

[alphakenc]

Read between the line its the instigator that take alphakenc for granted,im not mad at u either,u are a by passer !!

 

[cyberlocc]

Read between the line its the instigator that take alphakenc for granted,im not mad at u either,u are a by passer !!

Okay, I am even more confused now then before. However okay as long as that wasn't directed at me I am kosher .

 

[alphakenc]

Yup dont be confused,jus be observe ,n trust me if I hated u ,I will already flip out on u !!
In real life ,alphakenc wont take any haters poop at all.

 

[Carlton]

Yup dont be confused,jus be observe ,n trust me if I hated u ,I will already flip out on u !!
In real life ,alphakenc wont take any haters poop at all.

I don't think anyone is trying to hate, we are just confused by some of your posts (language mixups?)

 

[PascalDean]

Hi everyone! Thank you guys so much for adding to the discussion. You guys have been really helpful. Its been his third day on the medication and second day on the powdered diet. Though he may be getting rid of the parasites, he is very unhappy. I have only handled him a handful of times since I adopted him, and the once daily handling is causing him a lot of stress. He hasn't touched the powdered food I left in his cage. Some of you mentioned adding more heat to his cage but he has a ceramic heat emitter that can get up to 90 degrees directly under it, so I'm a little reluctant. I just don't know what to do at this point, I do want to speak with the veterinarian @jannb suggested. I am really worried that all this travel and handling is very stressful for Pascal. Especially since all of these vets are 30+ minutes drive from my home.
I usually cup fed him, and some days he would knock his cup over so he could chase his crickets about the cage. It really upsets me to see him so inactive and defensive when I walk into the room.
As for the vet, he is an "exotic pet" veterinarian, and when I called to schedule an appointment they said he has worked with chams before. Guess not. I am definitely worried that is advice is doing my cham more harm than good. And yes, he wants him permanently off of live food, which I agree is too extreme.

@Carlton thank you for the adjusted dusting schedule, I was going off of the advice of the Petsmart employees when I got him

 

[alphakenc]

I don't think anyone is trying to hate, we are just confused by some of your posts (language mixups?)

To answer my explanation since u were there for me from the day 1,I belive there are 2side of the story,we shouldn't judge this Vet until we have a postively fact,Im not saying who is right or wrong,I belive everything happen for a reason,and I would like to find out the vet side story before I make my decision,I feel everyone just point the finger at that Vet,which I personally dont even know him/her,its like in the court room ,there are 2side of accuser n defendant,they will need to go thru the trial before the judge decide who is right or wrong.
If we keep point the finger at this well known vet which we not even there with the OP when he/she prescribed the treatment why are we all jump in and disagree?and Im not saying we are wrong as u can read all my post that I do agree,I only wants to hear OP story with her Vet.
Another example is ,if we start judge the new members story before hearing an explanation,most of the time ,they will just leave here n not coming back.
Its like if I'm trying to sell a pair shoes to a lady customer when she comes in to the store,and Im telling her "ur shoes sucks n ugly" do u think she will come back again in the store n even buy a pair shoes from me???
Im glad u let me explain this to u Carlton,I appreciate ur time to let me express my own thought.

 

[alphakenc]

And perfect timing,now I will make my statement,find another real chameleon specialist vet to help with the problem,I will rest my case!!

 

[Extensionofgreen]

The chameleon will NEVER eat the powdered diet, left in cage and by not have access to proper food, it only weakens his system more and those parasites are already sapping him of resources. My advice is to continue the metronidazole, though I'm not convinced the chameleon ever needed it. You need at least a weeks coarse to prevent the creation of resistant parasites. In the mean time, order some feeders from a well known source. Try silk or hornworms, which are raised cleaner than crickets and have some fat and moisture to help your chameleon recover. ABSOLUTELY do NOT return to that vet and find a new one. I'm not here to demonize the vet, but they are WRONG and out of their depth. Only a severely weakened chameleon, not feeding on its own, should ever be prescribed force feeding, unless it is to administer calcium or medication and no vet, with even basic knowledge of chameleons would advise you to forgo feeding insects or advise leaving a bowl of powdered food in the chameleon's cage. I would take it a step further and suggest you find a way to post a review, discouraging chameleon owners from using this vet. It's ok to not know about chameleons, even as a reptile vet, but it isn't ok to act as if you do, not research the problem, and dispense not only inaccurate, but damaging advice. Get that chameleon some food, keep it at 75F during the day, with that 90F basking spot, and don't go to another vet, until 3-4 weeks have passed and you have a fresh stool sample to take along.

 

[alphakenc]

@Extensionofgreen u should went to the gym with me this morning,I was so pumped worst n beyond,now u got me pump again,right on!!