My female Veiled Chameleon is acting weird.

DoobEz

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Hello, I am a first time chameleon owner. I have a male(Clyde)and a female(Bonnie) Veiled Chameleons.
I'm getting a little worried about my female. She has been wondering around the sides of her cage and the floor constantly, just going up and down all day and seeming like she wants out. Occasionally she will stop and relax under her basking light. She is still drinking water, and eating normally.
I took both Bonnie and Clyde to the vet for a wellness check up about 3 months ago, a month after I got them, and I was told they looked very healthy. I also recently brought them both back to the pet shop so I can show them to the person we got them from and he said mine were the healthiest and biggest ones anyone has brought back to show him for the short amount of time I've had them.

Bonnie's Info:
Female Veiled Chameleon about 6 months old I believe. She has been in my care for about 4 months now. I rarely handle her now, I used to be able to hold her about twice a week, but now she has become very aggressive, tries to bite me and hisses at me if I do get to hold her.
I feed her 10-15 calcium covered crickets everyday(Noon)(Repashy Supercal MeD). For gut-loading the crickets, I use Repashy Superload and Fluker's Cricket Quencher Calcium Fortified. I keep crickets in a Lee's Large Cricket Keeper(it comes in handy, ha-ha)
I use a Big Dripper(Gallon) as the watering system, it drips about 2 drops a second and I put 10mL of AquaSafe per gallon. I don't mist because I have a fogger at the top of the cage for her that I leave on for about a hour twice a day. And I do see her drink.
She has white urate. Her fecal matter is brown and a little slimmy looking when it comes out and than drys up. No she has not been tested for parasites yet.
To me Bonnie looks healthy, she's a big girl, she's just acting strange.

Bonnie's Cage Info:
For them both I have 2 Zoo Med Reptibreeze X-Large 48" x24" x24" aluminum screen cage. Each their own home.
I have one Exo Terra 60w basking bulb I bought from the pet store and 2 Zoo Med Reptisun UVB 10.0 bulbs, one up on top for the cage and one on the side shinning in.
In the basking area it is about 85-90°f, the center is about 72-77°f, and the bottom of the cage is around 68-72°f. At night around the basking area it gets to about 68-72°f, which she sleeps in the top corner of her cage, the middle gets to about 65°f, and the bottom gets to about 62°f.
For creating humidity I use an Exo Terra Mini Fogger. The humidity fluctuates between 55-70%. While foggers are off the humidity ranges from 55-62%. While foggers are on the humidity gets up to 70-72% at most and than I turn them off until the next run. A hour Twice daily.
I have 2 Zoo Med Economy Analog Dul Thermometer and Humidity Gage's, one at the top of the cage and one in the middle, bottom temperatures are estimates.
I have one live Pothos plant in a trash bin filled with dirt, only in her cage, because I read that maybe she could be gravid. Other than that I have plastic and paper-like plants and a vine.(all Zoo Med or Exo Terra brands)
The cages are located in my bed room on opposite sides of my bed so they aren't right next to one another, so medium traffic around them. The bottom of the cages start 3ft up from my room floor and the top of the cages are at 7ft high. There is a fan on my ceiling but it only goes on low, if I even turn it on.

I live in Southern California in the high desert area.
 
Do you have an egglaying container in her cage? Can they see each other?
She may be wanting to mate or may be producing eggs. Can you post some recent photos of her please?
 
Yes sorry I was just about to post some pictures up and my laptop died on me so I have to upload them again.
Yes I have a nesting area for her, they can see each other occasionally but I tired to cover the sides of the cage so they cant because I read that Veileds get stressed out very easy around/ in the line of sight of others. And I don't think they are ready to mate because I tried showing them to each other outside the cage and Clyde puffed up and turned black(like you see in my profile picture, that's Clyde) and hissed at her. Bonnie she just kind of stays back and gets both eyes on him.
 
This is Bonnie one day after I got her. October 9th, 2015.
I just want to show how big she has gotten in the 4 months that I've had her.
She was about 3" long not including her tail. She has this cute yellow line behind her head.
Light green and yellow where the only colors she really showed for the first month or so.


December 25th, 2015, This is the day I noticed she stared acting strange.
Although in this picture she has stopped and is sitting under her basking light.
Relaxed colors are normally light green and yellow with a little white.


This is Bonnie Today. January 14th, 2016.(Pictures from here down are from today as well)
As you can see she is a lot bigger and shows more color.
She has more yellow spots and shows burgundy lines and spots all over her lower body mainly.
She did puff up at me because I got next to her. But she is about that big.


This is her cage set up from afar because it is to tall to be up close.
The circle is Bonnie.


She has been walking along the floor and front for awhile.



I opened her cage to see if she wanted out or wanted to crawl on me, but she get mad when you open her cage while she is on the door.
Her colors are absolutely beautiful though. She's not showing any burgundy yet. She only really shows it if I hold her.


I got her on me because I had to close the door and her tail was in the way, and she hissed at me about 5 time and stopped than I put her back on her cage.



She does not like to get her picture taken. She runs away from me a lot.
 

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Here are a couple pictures of Bonnies cage.

Here's the distance between the cages, including light on vs light off



Top of her cage. Fogger, Basking Light, UVB, Dripper


Side UVB Lamp


The Bedding area I made for her is a 5gallon trash container that includes Top Soil and Sand mixed with just enough water for her to be able to tunnel without it collapsing and a Pothos plant in it.



This is another full view of her cage.
 

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She looks pretty big in some of those pics and she's showing typical laying behaviour. Most of my females will wander the cage for 4-5 days before they start to dig. Some take a week or more, it all depends. I'm concerned that she may have a very large clutch based on the amount you've been feeding. I reduce feeding for females to about 5-6 large crickets (or the equivalent in other feeders) every other day after they are six months old. Generally I have average clutch sizes of 30 eggs, which is exactly where I want it. You may want to move her to a large garbage bin with a foot or so of moist play sand in it. Put some branches/vines for cover and give her complete privacy for a few days. This has always proven the best method for my gravid females to lay.
 
Do you have an egglaying container in her cage? Can they see each other?
She may be wanting to mate or may be producing eggs. Can you post some recent photos of her please?

I posted some pictures up, she looks big in them but shes about 1 1/2" round.
 
She looks pretty big in some of those pics and she's showing typical laying behaviour. Most of my females will wander the cage for 4-5 days before they start to dig. Some take a week or more, it all depends. I'm concerned that she may have a very large clutch based on the amount you've been feeding. I reduce feeding for females to about 5-6 large crickets (or the equivalent in other feeders) every other day after they are six months old. Generally I have average clutch sizes of 30 eggs, which is exactly where I want it. You may want to move her to a large garbage bin with a foot or so of moist play sand in it. Put some branches/vines for cover and give her complete privacy for a few days. This has always proven the best method for my gravid females to lay.

She's about 1 1/2" round, she likes to hold herself tight against her vine, and she occasionally puffs up if the camera or when I get close to her. I will try to get a better picture of her when her lights come on in the morning. She likes my boyfriend more than me, she's calm with him, so I have him hold her for me.
We put the 5gal tub in there a day or two after we noticed her wondering all over her cage but she doesn't like to go in it.
Its hard to get large crickets, being all store here mix small medium and large crickets in the same bin and we normally only get between 5-10 large crickets per 100.

So should cut back feeding on her to every other day, and should I still dust them every time I feed her?
Also at what age do they normally start producing eggs?

I believe she was 2 months old when I get her and I've had her for a few days over 4 months now.

So when I move her to a larger bin set up, what do I do about feeding, and lights and coverage so she can"t escape and roam the room?
I might have an idea on a set up but I could still use the advice.
I have done a lot of research on veileds but there is so much more I need to learn as they grow.
 
If she is in fact ready to lay, you'll see two noticeable lumps, one on either side, just in front of the rear legs. I'll attach a pic for you. Also I use a large bin (like the ones you put garbage in at the side of the road) so if you don't put branches all the way up, they can't climb out. Clamp a heat lamp onto the side and cover the top with a towel to give them complete privacy. If she thinks you're watching her she'll abandon the hole. If she abandons the hole enough times she could become egg bound. Don't panic, I've done this dozens of times and I still get anxious when they are laying, but more often than not their instincts kick in. And yes I would begin reducing her food intake to every other day, keep supplementation at:

Calcium w/o d3 every feeding
Calcium w/ d3 every two weeks
Multivitamin every two weeks

Also reduce basking temp to about 84 degrees. This is the method I use and it's works perfectly.
 

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Thank you for your reply, and the pictures. My female isn't showing any lumps as the picture shows. I have held her as well and felt along her abdomen for anything that felt like eggs, and didn't feel anything. I will still use your advice with the trash and give her privacy for a few days and hope for the best!!

I will keep you all updated, and I thank you for your insight!
 
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If she is in fact ready to lay, you'll see two noticeable lumps, one on either side, just in front of the rear legs. I'll attach a pic for you. Also I use a large bin (like the ones you put garbage in at the side of the road) so if you don't put branches all the way up, they can't climb out. Clamp a heat lamp onto the side and cover the top with a towel to give them complete privacy. If she thinks you're watching her she'll abandon the hole. If she abandons the hole enough times she could become egg bound. Don't panic, I've done this dozens of times and I still get anxious when they are laying, but more often than not their instincts kick in. And yes I would begin reducing her food intake to every other day, keep supplementation at:

Calcium w/o d3 every feeding
Calcium w/ d3 every two weeks
Multivitamin every two weeks

Also reduce basking temp to about 84 degrees. This is the method I use and it's works perfectly.

Also I was wondering if you would mind checking out my other thread and look at my boy and if you can tell me anything
about him.
That thread is quite messed up because it posted before I was finished so the info I put up is below in the replies.
https://www.chameleonforums.com/thr...-4-months-owning-my-veiled-chameleons.146722/


Thank you so much.

Okay so I took a couple pictures of Bonnie earlier today and she is big.
I also made her a new nesting area.

Here's the pictures of her, and her beautiful colors.


Here is her new nesting set up I made.


 

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She's a chunky little lady did she ever lay? Looks ready to lay just alittle fat so the lovely lady lumps aren't as visible. You can feel the eggs tho if you very, very, gently massage the lump area showed in the pic above.
 
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