Namquensis

[chameleoman]

Hey op how are the eggs doing? I just saw this thread and got curious with it as those look like a very fascinating species to work with i could imagine a nice setup in my room i need a desert themed tank. Out of curiosity here has anyone actually tried to bring them to states? Is anybody working on it? If so I give credit to that person because it sounds like a hell lot of work to be going through all that paperwork and phone calls. I do hope someone is able to bring this species and many rare others to the states one day, to give the pros something new to work with and expand there collection and knowledge.
-Joseph

 

[MerCham]

Wow, I've never seen these before & LOVE them! Very cool looking~

 

[Oliviabryant]

Awh! I've always wanted to keep this species but I can't find any

 

[Julle]

Hey op how are the eggs doing?

They are doing fine Thanks for asking!
The eggs have doubled their size..

 

[chameleoman]

They are doing fine Thanks for asking!
The eggs have doubled their size..

Pics!?!?!! Some of the proud parents too! we need some more pics its not too often we get to see pics of these rare cham species

 

[showjet95]

Awh! I've always wanted to keep this species but I can't find any

You wont find any. They are extremely rare even in European collections and are illegal to bring into the US. Pics/video will have to do

 

[kameleons jvo]

Pics!?!?!! Some of the proud parents too! we need some more pics its not too often we get to see pics of these rare cham species

I'm breeding them also,i have tons of pics of them from adults and baby's on my side https://www.chameleonforums.com/some-nice-pictures-90508/index20.html

 

[SaintJimmy]

I'm breeding them also,i have tons of pics of them from adults and baby's on my side https://www.chameleonforums.com/some-nice-pictures-90508/index20.html

They are just too amazing. I would love to have the awesome opportunity of even seeing one some day in person /sighs.

 

[boosh96]

Gorgeous animals! It's kinda funny how these are small and pretty plain-looking but they're STILL the coolest chameleons ever.

 

[chameleonneeds]

This species numbers have been decreasing drastically due to people catching them and smuggling to Europe (possibly Asia and the U.S.A too) and a new project is being put into place to try and stop this, they are planning on catching wild specimens and placing microchips in them so that NatCon can know if they're crossing borders I don't know if this is definitely going into effect but the authorities seem pretty serious about it. Also sorry if this has been posted on the forum already and I might have missed it, I am not as frequently active on this forum anymore.

 

[leedragon]

This species numbers have been decreasing drastically due to people catching them and smuggling to Europe (possibly Asia and the U.S.A too) and a new project is being put into place to try and stop this, they are planning on catching wild specimens and placing microchips in them so that NatCon can know if they're crossing borders I don't know if this is definitely going into effect but the authorities seem pretty serious about it. Also sorry if this has been posted on the forum already and I might have missed it, I am not as frequently active on this forum anymore.

yeah, but there is pics about the mating, and hatching of the animals so it is pretty sure those ones doesn´t have chips

 

[Beautiful4Ever]

Fantastic photographs! Love the quality...really depicts your little guy well <3

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

This species numbers have been decreasing drastically due to people catching them and smuggling to Europe (possibly Asia and the U.S.A too) and a new project is being put into place to try and stop this, they are planning on catching wild specimens and placing microchips in them so that NatCon can know if they're crossing borders I don't know if this is definitely going into effect but the authorities seem pretty serious about it. Also sorry if this has been posted on the forum already and I might have missed it, I am not as frequently active on this forum anymore.

Great to hear that someone has been possibly reading my posts about applications of microchips (not only to aquatic species conservation) being applied to chameleon conservation as well. I have been stating this technique for a long while now and it is great that is being considered or is a technique that is in actual use now as there is more than one function.

 

[Chris Anderson]

This species numbers have been decreasing drastically due to people catching them and smuggling to Europe (possibly Asia and the U.S.A too) and a new project is being put into place to try and stop this, they are planning on catching wild specimens and placing microchips in them so that NatCon can know if they're crossing borders I don't know if this is definitely going into effect but the authorities seem pretty serious about it. Also sorry if this has been posted on the forum already and I might have missed it, I am not as frequently active on this forum anymore.

yeah, but there is pics about the mating, and hatching of the animals so it is pretty sure those ones doesn´t have chips

They probably do not, as this is a recent initiative (here's a link to the article on it: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...leons-bid-stop-trade-illegal-trafficking.html) but I'll quote my previous post (with some bolded points) as well for people to keep in mind:

If its already been said, my appologies I missed it.

Can we have or get those to the US? Out of curiosity(PM me if you wish) what do those incredable Chameleons sell for on average.

Thanks-

Unfortunately probably not. The issue is that Ch. namaquensis has not been exported legally since 1998 accorting to CITES trade statistics, and the only specimens that have ever been exported legally that were not from a confiscation (and thus did not go into the trade) were exported to the US. These animals have all deceased and unfortunately there have never been any reexport permits issued for Ch. namaquensis to be exported from the US, so there is no possibility of any legal specimens in the EU that I can see. These animals may be genuine CB in Europe, but technically, even animals that were genuinely bred and born in captivity can be illegal if they can not be traced back fully to legally imported animals, which i see no way they could be. Unfortunately C. namaquensis is a species that is questionable enough legality wise that I would not encourage anyone to try importing specimens from the EU, CB or not, as they could end up in very serious trouble.

Chris

I'd very much like to be proven wrong, but the CITES trade data doesn't appear to support the presence of any legal animals in the EU in my opinion. I don't think anyone here knowingly or willfully broke any laws in their involvement with working with this species, but from what I've heard, it sounds like (falsified?) CITES documents may have been issued from CITES Management Authorities that legally were not entitled to issue permits for this species. CITES has caught similar situations in the past (example: http://www.cites.org/eng/notif/2012/E021.pdf) and there are other known examples of this occurring that continue to this day (example: exports of Cameroon & Nigerian endemics from Equatorial Guinea), but it is no less of a troubling problem.

Chris

 

[chameleonneeds]

Thanks Chris, for that info on the Ch. namaquensis outside of southern Africa.

Dr. Tolley is always so dedicated to her work and the conservation of South African chameleon species specifically. If just half of Natcon were made up of members such as Dr. Tolley we wouldn't be having so many poaching and smuggling problems.

Also, I really aspire to one day know as much as Chris Anderson does with chameleons, there is not a post that goes by that I do not learn from

 

[leedragon]

Chris what is the CITES status of ch. namaquensis?

 

[Chris Anderson]

Chris what is the CITES status of ch. namaquensis?

They are CITES Appendix II, is that what you were referring to?

Chris

 

[leedragon]

They are CITES Appendix II, is that what you were referring to?

Chris

well kinda, I was looking at the chamelon list in the cites documents and what I saw was that only chamaelo chamaeleo, and some brookesia weren´t under cites b, which if I am correct makes namaquensis as legal as any trioceros, in which you only need to prove that the animal, and the animal´s parents are cb

or I am wrong in this one?

 

[Chris Anderson]

well kinda, I was looking at the chamelon list in the cites documents and what I saw was that only chamaelo chamaeleo, and some brookesia weren´t under cites b, which if I am correct makes namaquensis as legal as any trioceros, in which you only need to prove that the animal, and the animal´s parents are cb

or I am wrong in this one?

That is not CITES. The Annexes you are talking about are special EU Wildlife Trade Regulations about what can be traded in the EU (http://ec.europa.eu/environment/cites/pdf/differences_b_eu_and_cites.pdf). Just because C. namaquensis is not forbidden from being imported to or traded within the EU does not mean that the animals don't have to be imported and exported legally in accordance with CITES. Regardless of their EU Annex, international trade is regulated by CITES and if an animal was not imported and exported legally according to CITES, that animal and its offspring would not be legal.

Chris

 

[xbrokenbabydoll]

Great pictures! They look absolutely amazing, congrats!