Need expert opinion on X-rays please help thank you
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jpowell86
Chameleon Enthusiast
What was the reasoning for having the x-rays done? I kind of find it strange that they didn't position the chameleon in a way as to obtain full images of the front and rear legs/feet. The overlapping of tissues create areas in the x-ray that allude to higher tissue densities where they should not be. The only thing that stands out to me was the back right leg. It looks as if MBD played a part in this chameleon's life at some point or another. I could be viewing it wrong though.
I think you should ask @ferretinmyshoes to take a look at the x-ray. I am pretty sure there have been similar posts to this here on the Forums where she was able to offer better insight. Just my opinion.
I think you should ask @ferretinmyshoes to take a look at the x-ray. I am pretty sure there have been similar posts to this here on the Forums where she was able to offer better insight. Just my opinion.
KrinsCham
New Member
With most Xray's you would want to see at least two different views usually at 90 degrees to one another. This allows you to properly diagnose and visualize things with better perspective. Do you have a side view? Is there any symptoms? Still a cool looking Xray but not really diagnostic without another view.
jajeanpierre
Chameleon Enthusiast
What did the vet say? Not too many of us have any training in radiology. I see some things that I think are suspicious of old or healing fractures, but I have zero training in radiology other than looking at x-rays with a vet. X-rays are not definitive ways to evaluate bone density although they might be the best of what is available to the chameleon owner.
KrinsCham
New Member
X-rays look pretty clear to me. I have training in reading human X-rays and I don't see any gross injury or history of, of-course get a professional who is trained in Herp X-rays to look at these in person with the correct diagnostic program to make sure. Pretty cool to look at though thanks for sharing. As for the lethargy in your friends Chameleon its all about going through all the basic husbandry essentials first and for most, and finding a vet that specializes in them near you.
jannb
Chameleon Enthusiast
He might need bloodwork.
Why not PM ferritinmyshoes aka Dayna and ask...she's a vet.
Also maybe get your friend to answer the questions in the how to ask for help thread at the top of the health forum and post photos so we could see if there's anything there that would show why he's lethargic and sleeping in the day.
Also maybe get your friend to answer the questions in the how to ask for help thread at the top of the health forum and post photos so we could see if there's anything there that would show why he's lethargic and sleeping in the day.
Nothing obvious on his radiographs. No evidence of old or new fractures or previous MBD, bone density looks okay. Lung field looks good where not overlapped by legs. Stomach is empty. Kidney and testes silhouette looks pretty normal. Colon area looks full but unfortunately a little hard to evaluate much more than that because the back legs are in the way. So nothing obvious on this diagnostic. If husbandry is good then bloodwork would probably be the next step.
Positioning reptiles, especially chameleons, for X-rays so they're flat and the legs are out of the way is challenging. The best method I've found is a little bit of lizard bondage honestly - you have the wrap their little legs and tape them down. It sounds a little mean but it doesn't hurt them and when done fast (and I'm super speedy) they don't seem terribly stressed by it. Here's a beardie demonstrating
Positioning reptiles, especially chameleons, for X-rays so they're flat and the legs are out of the way is challenging. The best method I've found is a little bit of lizard bondage honestly - you have the wrap their little legs and tape them down. It sounds a little mean but it doesn't hurt them and when done fast (and I'm super speedy) they don't seem terribly stressed by it. Here's a beardie demonstrating
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jajeanpierre
Chameleon Enthusiast
Nothing obvious on his radiographs. No evidence of old or new fractures or previous MBD, bone density looks okay. Lung field looks good where not overlapped by legs. Stomach is empty. Kidney and testes silhouette looks pretty normal. Colon area looks full but unfortunately a little hard to evaluate much more than that because the back legs are in the way. So nothing obvious on this diagnostic. If husbandry is good then bloodwork would probably be the next step.
Positioning reptiles, especially chameleons, for X-rays so they're flat and the legs are out of the way is challenging. The best method I've found is a little bit of lizard bondage honestly - you have the wrap their little legs and tape them down. It sounds a little mean but it doesn't hurt them and when done fast (and I'm super speedy) they don't seem terribly stressed by it. Here's a beardie demonstrating
Oh, Dayna, that looks so sad! You big meanie!
jannb
Chameleon Enthusiast
Nothing obvious on his radiographs. No evidence of old or new fractures or previous MBD, bone density looks okay. Lung field looks good where not overlapped by legs. Stomach is empty. Kidney and testes silhouette looks pretty normal. Colon area looks full but unfortunately a little hard to evaluate much more than that because the back legs are in the way. So nothing obvious on this diagnostic. If husbandry is good then bloodwork would probably be the next step.
Positioning reptiles, especially chameleons, for X-rays so they're flat and the legs are out of the way is challenging. The best method I've found is a little bit of lizard bondage honestly - you have the wrap their little legs and tape them down. It sounds a little mean but it doesn't hurt them and when done fast (and I'm super speedy) they don't seem terribly stressed by it. Here's a beardie demonstrating
I'm glad that my chameleons are so good for their x-rays and don't have to have the bondage method.
She did give me the stink eye the whole time. But the rads were perfect!That beardie has a look of revenge in her eyes, lol.
Some X-ray machines can rotate so they shoot horizontally so a chameleon just sitting on a perch is usually well positioned enough to not need restraint. My machine unfortunately does not have this capability. Dr. Mader's does of course.
MelissaB
Avid Member
That's a very smart way to work around the issue of having to position an unwilling critter. What type of tape do you use, so that it doesn't stick to their skin? Just in case my vet ever needs to this. I doubt they have the rotating x ray machine. It looks like the stuff called vet wrap (don't know the brand name) around her legs.
