Never seen these colors before?

Definetly a female, definetly very sick, definetly poor husbandry. After reading multiple posts from this user, and honestly becoming very upset, I find it hard to bite my tongue. This chameleon should be given to someone who knows what they're doing, stat. I know multiple options have been suggested. I don't feel this animal will survive much longer, I hope I'm wrong. As for the owner, no more reptiles until you live in a better insulated home. There are so many red flags, not just this post, but literally every post from this user. I hope lessons have been learned, and I truly hope this Cham can survive.
 
Goose502 said:
Definetly a female, definetly very sick, definetly poor husbandry. After reading multiple posts from this user, and honestly becoming very upset, I find it hard to bite my tongue. This chameleon should be given to someone who knows what they're doing, stat. I know multiple options have been suggested. I don't feel this animal will survive much longer, I hope I'm wrong. As for the owner, no more reptiles until you live in a better insulated home. There are so many red flags, not just this post, but literally every post from this user. I hope lessons have been learned, and I truly hope this Cham can survive.
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Have i made alot of mistakes? Surely. Have i admitted to them? Yes. But alot of it i can't control. We're talking about over 4 generations of inbreeding, this chameleon wasn't even supposed to be born. The father should have already been infertile, but instead of that bad genes have piled up on this poor creature.
I was not prepared to take in a chameleon that wasn't even supposed to make it out of the egg. I've had one chameleon before this. He lived as long as he could've. I've never EVER experienced something like this. My first cham was actually healthy. I had no problems with him.
The stomach problems? Not my fault. The high high risk for MBD? Not my fault. As much as i cry, as much as I'm hyper sensitive about this stuff, i can also be actually rational. Can you believe that?
I know Slurpy has at most a few more months left. He's deteriorating and there is NOTHING i can do about it. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be able to keep him alive longer than a year. I'm not sure anyone on this forum can, that's how bad the breeding is. All i can do is try my fucking hardest to give him a good life for the short time he has left.
Alot of my posts are me being in denial that this is happening to me. That this is happening to this baby. I'm trying to make light of a horrible situation by covering depression with shitposting, and I know it comes off horribly.
 
phantomchameleon said:
Have i made alot of mistakes? Surely. Have i admitted to them? Yes. But alot of it i can't control. We're talking about over 4 generations of inbreeding, this chameleon wasn't even supposed to be born. The father should have already been infertile, but instead of that bad genes have piled up on this poor creature.
I was not prepared to take in a chameleon that wasn't even supposed to make it out of the egg. I've had one chameleon before this. He lived as long as he could've. I've never EVER experienced something like this. My first cham was actually healthy. I had no problems with him.
The stomach problems? Not my fault. The high high risk for MBD? Not my fault. As much as i cry, as much as I'm hyper sensitive about this stuff, i can also be actually rational. Can you believe that?
I know Slurpy has at most a few more months left. He's deteriorating and there is NOTHING i can do about it. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be able to keep him alive longer than a year. I'm not sure anyone on this forum can, that's how bad the breeding is. All i can do is try my fucking hardest to give him a good life for the short time he has left.
Alot of my posts are me being in denial that this is happening to me. That this is happening to this baby. I'm trying to make light of a horrible situation by covering depression with shitposting, and I know it comes off horribly.
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Look, it's okay to be inexperienced, we all were at some point and a lot of us made some mistakes along the way.
It's okay to feel like you are in over your head after getting a shitload of information and requirements about your chameleon.
But face it you bought an animal that has special requirements without reading up on husbandry beforehand it and because of that your chameleon is now sick.
If she even already had MBD from the petstore it would likely have been a very early stage and she would have recovered fine with the proper care.

I don't think it's fair or true that you are trying to put the blame on anything else than yourself (and maybe pet-stores that sell chameleons as if they were hamsters) and I don't think its fair to your chameleon that you are giving up on her!

So... What's your plan now? Leaving her in her enclosure until she dies? Are you aware of the pain she will go trough if you let that happen?
She still has a fighting chance if she gets the proper care from an experienced keeper, it's best you find someone willing to take her in rather than being selfish and letting her suffer.
Either find someone that will fix her or man up and go to a vet to get her euthanized, don't let her suffer!

A lot of the reptiles in captivity are inbreed, morphs of snakes, geckos, bearded dragons are often also the result of inbreeding.
Tho it's never recommended to inbreed your animals the consequences are seldom negative in reptiles.
 
Remkon said:
Look, it's okay to be inexperienced, we all were at some point and a lot of us made some mistakes along the way.
It's okay to feel like you are in over your head after getting a shitload of information and requirements about your chameleon.
But face it you bought an animal that has special requirements without reading up on husbandry beforehand it and because of that your chameleon is now sick.
If she even already had MBD from the petstore it would likely have been a very early stage and she would have recovered fine with the proper care.

I don't think it's fair or true that you are trying to put the blame on anything else than yourself (and maybe pet-stores that sell chameleons as if they were hamsters) and I don't think its fair to your chameleon that you are giving up on her!

So... What's your plan now? Leaving her in her enclosure until she dies? Are you aware of the pain she will go trough if you let that happen?
She still has a fighting chance if she gets the proper care from an experienced keeper, it's best you find someone willing to take her in rather than being selfish and letting her suffer.
Either find someone that will fix her or man up and go to a vet to get her euthanized, don't let her suffer!

A lot of the reptiles in captivity are inbreed, morphs of snakes, geckos, bearded dragons are often also the result of inbreeding.
Tho it's never recommended to inbreed your animals the consequences are seldom negative in reptiles.
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This wasn't pet store. This was from a breeder. 'Seldom' doesn't mean it wont happen. Again, i have no clue how many generations it actually was. I just know it was over four. Im definitely not giving up on her. I'm just saying that no matter what i do, she'll die a premature death. I think you skipped over the part where i said "All i can do is try my fucking hardest to give him a good life for the short time he has left." and also the part where i said i have had one chameleon beforehand.
 
@phantomchameleon the only thing that is going to make her have a shortened lifespan in my personal opinion is poor husbandry. You can't make judgement based on breeding. Again, I don't want to seem like I am attacking you in this response, but you need to take her care seriously. The information on how to have the best chance for success is here on the forums and tons of experienced keepers are also here to help if you choose to take their advice.

I wish you all the best with your chameleon.

As for the forum rules, please do not use profanity. There are people of all ages here and this is not the place for it.

Thank you.
 
Okay I'm sorry but you saying you are trying your hardest but then keep referring to her as a him and saying she's going to die either way is a bit upsetting. Story time:
My very first Chameleon was a panther named Charlie Charmingo (bingo name) I got him from my cousin who was 13 years old and way over her head. I saw how she cared for him after having no experience with chameleons whatsoever and having no idea what to do with him and thought she was sorely mistreating him. I made some mistakes OF COURSE I did but did I try my very best to keep him healthy OF COURSE I did. After havinrg him about a month I noticed his limbs shaking and he closing his eyes and then the day after he started hanging his back legs off his sticks. He would only climb with his hands. I took him to the vet and explained everything I know about him etc. tears coming down my eyes in worry (the love of a chameleon happens quickly). He gave me some medicine and told me to come in again after the weekend. I did everything I can for that boy that weekend. Extra misting, keeping the heater on showers to boost humidity. I brought him back to the vet and the vet told me "honestly I didn't think he was going to make it over the weekend, whatever you're doing keep it up". And so this "keeping it up" of a chameleon who was supposed to be dead lasted over many months to the point where he slowly started to gain strength in his back legs again. Yes, he did eventually pass, and yes it destroyed me, and yes I tried to keep him alive and do EVERYTHING I could for him. But that's not the point the point is because I never seen him as "dying eventually" I was able to keep him alive longer than he was thought to have. So I don't believe your outlook on this situation and the inbreeding go behind. I believe if you care enough, if you work HARD enough, and listen to THESE people like I did when I was way waaaaaaaaay over my head, you might improve her quality of life. She might not live the full years but she might not suffer in pain either.
 
Nursemaia said:
You can sex veiled right out of the egg so your vet should be able to tell if it's male or female. That looks like a girl to me. You have several issues going on with your husbandry. Starting off with having her in a horizontal glass aquarium.
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Also looks like a female to me, I have a 3 month veiled and his spur is defiantly more noticeable than yours. I agree screen cages are best and also if you have a glass aquarium and the lights sit on top of the glass as you have it vertically the uvb will not penetrate glass as it would a screen/mesh cage. Also not sure as to why you leave your uvb on all day/night. My guess is if your lights are on top of glass they aren't penetrating enough to give her the desired vitamins possibly causing mbd if that's what you think she's getting. My suggestion mesh cage, all lighting off at night unless it's a heat light/night light for temp drops, and less handling. I am new to this myself but much research and having everything down to a science is and absolute must with these animals. Hope this helps!

Good luck hope she/he gets better!
 
phantomchameleon said:
The vet said he saw tiny spurs on his back feet, and that the veil would develop as he got older. I'll cut down on handling definitely but im worried that will anger her and stress her out more. It seems that he only turns brighter colors when im there
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My veiled when handled always gets brighter colorations when handled. This doesn't mean they are comfortable with you handling them I believe they are more vibrant due to not being under there normal heat conditions. When my Cham is basking he's usually a darker green, to absorb heat better.
 
JamesB88 said:
My veiled when handled always gets brighter colorations when handled. This doesn't mean they are comfortable with you handling them I believe they are more vibrant due to not being under there normal heat conditions. When my Cham is basking he's usually a darker green, to absorb heat better.
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The brigher colors can also indicate stress.
 
Little foot us 7.5mo, you simply cannot miss the spurs! 20161118_131814.jpg
 
At this point I think you're full of BS and denial. That's a female. She's very sick. You're not going to take her to the vet or do what you're supposed to do for her and you're enjoying the attention you're getting from the members on here because you're lacking it in your real life.
 
Nursemaia said:
At this point I think you're full of BS and denial. That's a female. She's very sick. You're not going to take her to the vet or do what you're supposed to do for her and you're enjoying the attention you're getting from the members on here because you're lacking it in your real life.
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Real talk, nuff said.
 
Nursemaia said:
At this point I think you're full of BS and denial. That's a female. She's very sick. You're not going to take her to the vet or do what you're supposed to do for her and you're enjoying the attention you're getting from the members on here because you're lacking it in your real life.
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How do you know that? You don't know me in real life. You have no clue what I am and am not going to do. I don't enjoy this attention. Why would I? You know how many classes I've skipped over just to look over them? I'm putting my future at stake for Slurpy. If you seriously think I don't care about their life, Then you should re-read the thread. Have fun.
 
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