Never seen these colors before?

Nursemaia said:
At this point I think you're full of BS and denial. That's a female. She's very sick. You're not going to take her to the vet or do what you're supposed to do for her and you're enjoying the attention you're getting from the members on here because you're lacking it in your real life.
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This. This this this. So much this.

You can blame your chameleons problems on breeding all you'd like, but at the end of the day, you are killing your chameleon. The way she is handled, housed and cared for all all sub-par.

Your argumentative attitude has also done little other than frustrate many members. When you were told soaking a chameleon is stressful and inappropriate, you quickly fired back that you would be taking your vets advice over ours. This is the same vet that was unable to correctly sex an animal that displays sexual dimorphism straight out of the egg. But the arguing continues. Now that the forums have unanimously decided (based on photos provided) that your chameleon is, indeed, female, you continue to argue, now stating "the sex organs popped out".

Please, for our sake, and the sake of your chameleon, stop arguing. Your chameleon is not an "intersex" unique little snowflake that defies the biology and boundaries of its own species. It is an animal with basic care requirements and husbandry you have failed to meet.

Instead of worrying about a shorter lifespan due to it being female, begin your research on how to properly care for a female of this species. Prepare. Learn. Grow.

You also claim that you had a chameleon before Slurpy, and that it "lived as long as it could". What does that mean, exactly? And if you had a chameleon prior to this, why is so much of your husbandry wrong, and why do you seem so baffled when members tell you how to correctly care for your pet?

I initially felt that I may have been too hard on you with your earlier posts, but after sitting back and observing, I think that it is painfully clear that @Nursemaia is absolutely correct. You seem to be thriving off of all the attention you've been getting. When your chameleon is doing poorly, you get pity, you're the victim. When members are blunt and direct with you, again, victim. When your "vet" provides you with conflicting information, you react with smugness and righteous indignation, as though we are attempting to give you misinformation. This has all of the marks of a great trolling attempt, if not for the very sad pictures.
 
Okay i went in early because i was curious on sex. The chameleon specific vet was called in and checked them over. He was even stumped as well. They're showing signs of female with colors and especially the veil but reproductive organs, spurs, are all male. We're going to try to get confirmed genetics but there is definitely no promise that we can do that for chams.
There is definitely something wrong but they're out of my hands for the time being.
 
phantomchameleon said:
Okay i went in early because i was curious on sex. The chameleon specific vet was called in and checked them over. He was even stumped as well. They're showing signs of female with colors and especially the veil but reproductive organs, spurs, are all male. We're going to try to get confirmed genetics but there is definitely no promise that we can do that for chams.
There is definitely something wrong but they're out of my hands for the time being.
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How did this "chameleon specific" vet determine there were male sex organs?
 
phantomchameleon said:
Okay i went in early because i was curious on sex. The chameleon specific vet was called in and checked them over. He was even stumped as well. They're showing signs of female with colors and especially the veil but reproductive organs, spurs, are all male. We're going to try to get confirmed genetics but there is definitely no promise that we can do that for chams.
There is definitely something wrong but they're out of my hands for the time being.
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That's really odd !!. A good vet would know with one look with a veiled chamealon . You're absolutely sure this vet has dealt with chameleons ?
 
wavingsnail said:
This. This this this. So much this.

You can blame your chameleons problems on breeding all you'd like, but at the end of the day, you are killing your chameleon. The way she is handled, housed and cared for all all sub-par.

Your argumentative attitude has also done little other than frustrate many members. When you were told soaking a chameleon is stressful and inappropriate, you quickly fired back that you would be taking your vets advice over ours. This is the same vet that was unable to correctly sex an animal that displays sexual dimorphism straight out of the egg. But the arguing continues. Now that the forums have unanimously decided (based on photos provided) that your chameleon is, indeed, female, you continue to argue, now stating "the sex organs popped out".

Please, for our sake, and the sake of your chameleon, stop arguing. Your chameleon is not an "intersex" unique little snowflake that defies the biology and boundaries of its own species. It is an animal with basic care requirements and husbandry you have failed to meet.

Instead of worrying about a shorter lifespan due to it being female, begin your research on how to properly care for a female of this species. Prepare. Learn. Grow.

You also claim that you had a chameleon before Slurpy, and that it "lived as long as it could". What does that mean, exactly? And if you had a chameleon prior to this, why is so much of your husbandry wrong, and why do you seem so baffled when members tell you how to correctly care for your pet?

I initially felt that I may have been too hard on you with your earlier posts, but after sitting back and observing, I think that it is painfully clear that @Nursemaia is absolutely correct. You seem to be thriving off of all the attention you've been getting. When your chameleon is doing poorly, you get pity, you're the victim. When members are blunt and direct with you, again, victim. When your "vet" provides you with conflicting information, you react with smugness and righteous indignation, as though we are attempting to give you misinformation. This has all of the marks of a great trolling attempt, if not for the very sad pictures.
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I'm a genetics student. Honestly i know more about the actual genetics than the care of the chameleon.
Im guessing you didn't even read the response to this comment from Nurse. "Lived as long as it could' means he died of old age. He lived 7 years. 3 in my care.
I know the effects of inbreeding in reptiles. It can actually be far worse than mammals inbreeding. Common health problems for inbred reptiles, ESPECIALLY CHAMELEONS is liver failure, kidney failure, stomach problems, and a higher risk of metabolic bone disease. 2 of which are being shown by Slurpy.
 
Oh come on already... You went 'crowdfunding' a 40$ lamp but you claim you run your chameleon to the vet almost daily while even I know reptilian vets in the USA charge ridiculous fees for their service and you even have a 3day stay planned... On top of that your chameleon is suddenly a hermaphrodite...

I call bullshit...
 
phantomchameleon said:
. Honestly i know more about the actual genetics than the care of the chameleon.
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Based on the care you've provided thus far, you could also say you know more about quantum physics.

Ignorance is no excuse. You have a literal wealth of knowledge at your fingertips, most of which you seem content to ignore.
 
I hate to say it, but in this instance, what you study means zip.
Slurpy is receiving incorrect husbandry.
 
KeopiCat said:
Uhhh... who is this "chameleon specific vet"? I'm just really having a hard time believing that a veterinarian who specializes in exotic animals and went through YEARS of school to gain their current position would have trouble sexing a veiled chameleon.
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Dr. Loomis, my current vet, called someone who was more experienced with different breeds of chameleons and genetic problems with said chameleons.

Remkon said:
Oh come on already... You went 'crowdfunding' a 40$ lamp but you claim you run your chameleon to the vet almost daily while even I know reptilian vets in the USA charge ridiculous fees for their service and you even have a 3day stay planned... On top of that your chameleon is suddenly a hermaphrodite...

I call bullshit...
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75 dollars per visit only. Multiply that by 4. One for the actual checkup, and 3 extra for the stay. I've just got a new job and my boyfriend is helping me with the funds.
 
I also find it oddly suspicious that you didn't have money for a $40 heater and came to the forum looking to raise money by doing sketches but now have $100s to spend at the vet. You're not going to play all of us for fools.
Are you anthropomorphizing traits and issues onto your cham that you are dealing with personally? You cham is female but you desperately seem to want it to be a male. Curious.
 
phantomchameleon said:
I'm a genetics student. Honestly i know more about the actual genetics than the care of the chameleon.
Im guessing you didn't even read the response to this comment from Nurse. "Lived as long as it could' means he died of old age. He lived 7 years. 3 in my care.
I know the effects of inbreeding in reptiles. It can actually be far worse than mammals inbreeding. Common health problems for inbred reptiles, ESPECIALLY CHAMELEONS is liver failure, kidney failure, stomach problems, and a higher risk of metabolic bone disease. 2 of which are being shown by Slurpy.
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I'm not trying to argue here but if you're a genetic student how did u ever get this chamealon with out checking into breading and bloodline ? Especially with you're statement of common health prob ESPECIALLY with chamealon .
 
Kristen Wilkins said:
That's really odd !!. A good vet would know with one look with a veiled chamealon . You're absolutely sure this vet has dealt with chameleons ?
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Yes. He has.
Nursemaia said:
I also find it oddly suspicious that you didn't have money for a $40 heater and came to the forum looking to raise money by doing sketches but now have $100s to spend at the vet. You're not going to play all of us for fools.
Are you anthropomorphizing traits and issues onto your cham that you are dealing with personally? You cham is female but you desperately seem to want it to be a male. Curious.
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....Did you... Read the above comment. Boyfriend+new job=more money. I'm going to owe money to the vet after this, I know that.
 
Kristen Wilkins said:
I'm not trying to argue here but if you're a genetic student how did u ever get this chamealon with out checking into breading and bloodline ? Especially with you're statement of common health prob ESPECIALLY with chamealon .
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The breeder was hiding the true bloodline. From my perspective it seemed perfectly fine. It wasn't until later when i confronted the breeder about it that they admitted they lied and wanted to get rid of the chams because the chams were too much work and didn't want death on their hands. I got refunded my money in the end.
 
Remkon said:
Oh come on already... You went 'crowdfunding' a 40$ lamp but you claim you run your chameleon to the vet almost daily while even I know reptilian vets in the USA charge ridiculous fees for their service and you even have a 3day stay planned... On top of that your chameleon is suddenly a hermaphrodite...

I call bullshit...
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I was thinking same thing all day how can she pay for vet but can't afford the proper equipment
 
phantomchameleon said:
The breeder was hiding the true bloodline. From my perspective it seemed perfectly fine. It wasn't until later when i confronted the breeder about it that they admitted they lied and wanted to get rid of the chams because the chams were too much work and didn't want death on their hands. I got refunded my money in the end.
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That's really sad .
 
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