ello one of my babies went from happpy healthy girl to eyes being sunken in she is grabing her arms and legs and tail alot i just noticed she has no defination between her back and neck to head she is kinda hunched. i will post pics and more details tomorrow just wanted to get this started....her brother has a crooked tail im beginning to think these babies had a bad start in life for sure
ohh no!!!!!
- Thread starter Courtney
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Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care? i have had her for 2 months sex female panther nosy be x ambilobe
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon? i take her out every 3 days when i clean the bottom. she hangs out in a ficus tree while im cleaning
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders? crix every day i put 20-50 depending on the size there are 3 in the cage. feeders are gut loaded with flukers dry and calcium fortified quencher along with mixed veggies fruits whole grain bread granola from kashi
Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule? herpavite 2 times a month calci w d3 2 times a month and calcium every day
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking? all urates in tank are white i do see them drink i have a repti fogger on all day it blows on a pothos and creates a multi tierd dripper i also mist once a day
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites? not treated yet poop is normal in all three
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you. none got them from a reptile store
Cage Info:
Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions? large exoterra
Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule? 40 watt for heat 18 in tube uvb
Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps? digi low to mid 70s in bottom upper 70s top at night very top reaches 82 during day
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity? 45-85% digi repti fogger
Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind? pothos and fake vines
Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor? top is 4 feet off floor its by a sliding glass door that isnt used
Location - Where are you geographically located? florida USA
Current Problem - The current problem you are concerned about ello is grabing her limbs and tail isnt being herself eyes sunken in she is always in a ball her tail is always curling all over the place no head neck back definition....
Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care? i have had her for 2 months sex female panther nosy be x ambilobe
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon? i take her out every 3 days when i clean the bottom. she hangs out in a ficus tree while im cleaning
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders? crix every day i put 20-50 depending on the size there are 3 in the cage. feeders are gut loaded with flukers dry and calcium fortified quencher along with mixed veggies fruits whole grain bread granola from kashi
Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule? herpavite 2 times a month calci w d3 2 times a month and calcium every day
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking? all urates in tank are white i do see them drink i have a repti fogger on all day it blows on a pothos and creates a multi tierd dripper i also mist once a day
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites? not treated yet poop is normal in all three
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you. none got them from a reptile store
Cage Info:
Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions? large exoterra
Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule? 40 watt for heat 18 in tube uvb
Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps? digi low to mid 70s in bottom upper 70s top at night very top reaches 82 during day
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity? 45-85% digi repti fogger
Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind? pothos and fake vines
Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor? top is 4 feet off floor its by a sliding glass door that isnt used
Location - Where are you geographically located? florida USA
Current Problem - The current problem you are concerned about ello is grabing her limbs and tail isnt being herself eyes sunken in she is always in a ball her tail is always curling all over the place no head neck back definition....
Elizadolots
New Member
Grabbing her own limbs doesn't seem to me to be a big issue. I've seen lots of people here say their's do it...but sunken eyes scream problem...usually dehydration is at least part of the problem. But, sunken eyes just means "horrible strain" not "I'm dry".
More hydration is rarely a bad thing so maybe give her a warm shower or if that's not feasible, a warm bath...get her utterly and completely soaked. When my male was having a bad time, it took a lot of water to get him to think about drinking. Now that he's feeling better, he sneak drinks when I'm not looking (I've caught him). I know you said all urates in cage were white, but urates in cage might be older...have you seen fresh poop in the last few days?
I'm sorry I don't know your story, but how old is she? Is it possible she's gravid? If she's 6 months old or older I'd consider that a possibility.
More hydration is rarely a bad thing so maybe give her a warm shower or if that's not feasible, a warm bath...get her utterly and completely soaked. When my male was having a bad time, it took a lot of water to get him to think about drinking. Now that he's feeling better, he sneak drinks when I'm not looking (I've caught him). I know you said all urates in cage were white, but urates in cage might be older...have you seen fresh poop in the last few days?
I'm sorry I don't know your story, but how old is she? Is it possible she's gravid? If she's 6 months old or older I'd consider that a possibility.
will post pics and video of movement tomorrow.. also she is no more than 2.5 months old if even. geting ready to seaperate the 3 soon. as mentioned in my help form i clean the cage out every 3 days its glass moisture builds up on bottom quick and 3 babies produce lots of poop. noticed a lil bit ago one poop is a little yellowish but that idnt what im worried about concidering i didnt have my fogger on today and most of yesterday had to get it fixed.
Julirs
New Member
HELLO....this is a huge problem and NOT normal. Courtney I think you may be right that these babies did not get a good start. MBD is one reason for limb grabbing, neurological issues are another. Coupled with the sunken eyes this does not sound like this baby will make it. Could she have fallen? Your husbandry sounds fine-the only thing I might question is the humidity being too high with the humidifier blowing in there. Humidity in Florida really does not need any help-regular mistings are fine.
fluxlizard
Avid Member
If you are seeing problems after 2 months of caring for them and not before, I think it a little unfair to blame whoever had them prior (the bad start in life). Personally, I think your d3 supplement schedule of 2x a month may not be working out with your lighting situation. Can you get them outside in real sunlight during the day this time of year where you are? That would really help with the MBD fast since you are giving calcium daily...
Chameleonator
New Member
It might be time to seperate all of them. The female is showing signs of being stressed. Sunken eyes does not necessarily mean dehydration. But it's usually the first outwardly sign that tells one that there is something wrong. It's time to take her to a vet. At this stage if it is not dehydration they can go down hill real quick. As far as your male is concerned with his tail being crooked, most likely one of the siblings bit it. So again I say seperate them or you will end up with one 'king of the hill!"
Elizadolots
New Member
https://www.chameleonforums.com/ungraceful-chameleon-34117/
hallenhe writes: “I have seen him grab his knees, elbows, wrists, feet and tail before”
renzo0684 writes: “Jasper grabs his front leg all the time and looks like he has no idea whats going on”
draetish writes: “My melleri will grab her tail with one of her "huge" feet and get herself in a bind when she is trying to turn around on a branch.”
pssh writes: “My last chameleon, Henry, would grab a front foot with his hind foot and look at me. He would get so mad at me when i was holding him and he'd do it, I think he though I was grabbing his foot! It was commical “
Julirs
New Member
Search for all of the ones where the chameleon either dies or ends up with MBD.
