Opinion on translucent veileds
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shaunaroxanne
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To each his own. But to me, they defeat the purpose of having a chameleon. It's ironic in a weird way, I guess. Kind of like having a color tv but only watching in black and white mode (is that even still an option), what's the point?
Carrie Anne
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I love veiled chameleons in general. I find them to be full of personality and attitude to spare
...but I must say that I find the translucency adds character to an already awsome looking species of chameleon. I have 2 high end translucents and if you ever have the opportunity to get one you won't regret it.
...but I must say that I find the translucency adds character to an already awsome looking species of chameleon. I have 2 high end translucents and if you ever have the opportunity to get one you won't regret it.
chameleoman
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I love translucent's i think the price they are sold for is well worth it. But its not a subspecies like all the panthers, its the same species but they just don't have the pigmentation in their skin. it annoys me how some people try to sell them for 300 or 500 to me they're only worth 100-150 especially the high ends with all the blacks, pinks, and the see through parts
chameleoman
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patrickfraser
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I think they look diseased, almost like they are stricken with vitiligo. To each his own, but I prefer mine with color.
twatts704
New Member
Confused on how they are not suppose to exist? Are we not living in an imperfect world where there are such things like this amongst many creatures including humans? Are people who are albino not suppose to exist or people with vitilago? Seems like a silly thing to say and give a reason for when we are living in an imperfect world where there are many things that "aren't suppose to be here".
cricketkilla
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I don't think you should breed an animal trying to produce a desirable defect. There's a reason Mother Nature gave them the traits they have, and I think we should respect that instead of defying it anymore than we already are by keeping and breeding selectively in captivity JMO.. I think Veileds are beautiful naturally.
shaunaroxanne
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But here's the thing. People who are albino can't be in the SUN. The have no protection from UVA/UVB. So how does an animal who can only thrive by exposure to UVB do so if he has no pigmentation to protect him from the overexposure to it?
chameleonkev
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This is a very good point! It's hard to argue with that
fluxlizard
Avid Member
No it's not.
Albino iguanas for example bask in the sun and to date have not experienced harm from sunlight. They are raised and bred outdoors in FL just like normal iguanas. They seek out sunlight and bask in it.
Europeans and those of us of that descent are hypomelanistic if you think about it. We do fine even when we move south to FL.
So- you don't like dogs, cats, goats, pigs, horses, sheep, rhode island red chickens, sandfire bearded dragons? All of these with the exception of the sandfires have been selectively bred for desirable effects by humans to produce the breeds of animals you see today.
As for me- I don't like the trans veileds. But that is just me. And I've never had one. I didn't think I'd like trans or leatherback bearded dragons until my first couple of each spontaneously hatched out this past year without my bringing any into my colony. Just kind of random mutations- I suppose I hit whatever number of generations whoever originated those morphs originally hit when they were produced. Now I think they look pretty cool.
But I wouldn't want a colony full of only those traits. But one thing I do worry about is if these morphs spread to the point we don't have "normal" appearing animals. With bearded dragons for example- a quick look at kingsnake's classifieds turns up mostly trans and leatherbacks and the like. Because those are the morphs that make breeding profitable enough to make the cost of breeding worthwhile. Personally I don't think of that as such a good thing- once too far down that road it may be tricky to ever come back...
Alexl
Avid Member
But we even know a lot of reptiles with less pigmentation whose skin can't cope with the UVB they would naturally need, and "piebald" or "translucent" Chamaeleo calyptratus are concerned, too. I know some keepers who didn't let them stay outside in the natural sunlight due to shedding problems and burn marks in the non-pigmented skin areas. Others from same clutch are "runts", too small for their age. That's no risk I'd like to breed with, even if not every individual is affected. Aditionally, it's somewhat strange to me that people want to remove chameleons' most important communication medium, which is their changing skin colour. Remember, reptiles use their skin colour to warm up, too - a chameleon with mostly unpigmented areas can't use its skin for thermoregulation anymore. And to name a last disadvantage: Those less pigmented reptiles often have big problems in wound healing (especially seen in snakes - didn't see this in chameleons yet, but I don't doubt it will happen the next years).
To take another point of view: It's working for the disputants being against reptiles at home: "See those people, they pay much more money for a more strange looking rare animal and they're crazy about more colourmorphs... so it's all about having the most exclusive animal, isn't it?" I'm not sure they're always wrong.
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Kent67
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The morph was originally found in the wild.
shaunaroxanne
Avid Member
No it's not.
Albino iguanas for example bask in the sun and to date have not experienced harm from sunlight. They are raised and bred outdoors in FL just like normal iguanas. They seek out sunlight and bask in it.
Europeans and those of us of that descent are hypomelanistic if you think about it. We do fine even when we move south to FL.
So- you don't like dogs, cats, goats, pigs, horses, sheep, rhode island red chickens, sandfire bearded dragons? All of these with the exception of the sandfires have been selectively bred for desirable effects by humans to produce the breeds of animals you see today.
As for me- I don't like the trans veileds. But that is just me. And I've never had one. I didn't think I'd like trans or leatherback bearded dragons until my first couple of each spontaneously hatched out this past year without my bringing any into my colony. Just kind of random mutations- I suppose I hit whatever number of generations whoever originated those morphs originally hit when they were produced. Now I think they look pretty cool.
But one thing I do worry about is if these morphs spread to the point we don't have "normal" appearing animals. With bearded dragons for example- a quick look at kingsnake's classifieds turns up mostly trans and leatherbacks and the like. Because those are the morphs that make breeding profitable enough to make the cost of breeding worthwhile. Personally I don't think of that as such a good thing- once too far down that road it may be tricky to ever come back...
This is what the SC Aquarium has to say about albino alligators (they can't bask)http://scaquarium.org/gator/activities/albino_species.pdf
Here is a quote on the book, Iguanas, that says albino iguanas get sunburnhttp://books.google.com/books?id=opjT3x1kW6oC&pg=PA31&lpg=PA31&dq=can+albino+iguanas+bask&source=bl&ots=6A0OWE4xdB&sig=8HkiH_iPnm6DWirRsgKl5NfK7M0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=n6h-UJaiCoWo8ASbpoHwAg&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=can%20albino%20iguanas%20bask&f=false
AND, I am of pure german decent, blonde hair, green eyes and very pale freckled skin. I did NOT sunbathe often, as the sun makes me ill. AND at the age of 40, I had skin cancer removed from my eyebrow. If I were basking in the sun when I was a teenager, it would have been much worse.
Sorry, but I find your points invalid. Nothing personal.
