Opinions on Chameleon Pricing
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Texas Panther Man
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As a smalll scale breeder with actual hands on exp. I think your misguided and dillusional thinking you can even break even selling 90 dollar panthers. I can tell you've never had to feed or house 50+ mouths.
jrh3
Established Member
The cost is the same as a veiled to raise, correct?
jrh3
Established Member
yeah and i bred my on feeders, Actually i have has 100+ at a time.
jrh3
Established Member
This is going exactly where i wanted it to, How can you break even with a 90 dollar chameleon,
ANSWER the SAME WAY YOU DO WITH A VEILED? I have bred both and see no difference.
And Flux so your saying the reason the price is high is so that only the higher class can afford because they will care for them better, because a cheap person will supply them cheap lifestyle. haha that is the stupidest S$%^ I have ever heard.
ANSWER the SAME WAY YOU DO WITH A VEILED? I have bred both and see no difference.
And Flux so your saying the reason the price is high is so that only the higher class can afford because they will care for them better, because a cheap person will supply them cheap lifestyle. haha that is the stupidest S$%^ I have ever heard.
This is going exactly where i wanted it to, How can you break even with a 90 dollar chameleon,
ANSWER the SAME WAY YOU DO WITH A VEILED? I have bred both and see no difference.
And Flux so your saying the reason the price is high is so that only the higher class can afford because they will care for them better, because a cheap person will supply them cheap lifestyle. haha that is the stupidest S$%^ I have ever heard.
Jr
I don't disagree with you at all. It's called "the Paris Hilton" effect. I won't own a panther for many reasons mostly they are ugly and unnatural looking , beside being too trendy. They are obviously not in short supply either and have exceeded demand. At the same time you have people selling their used panthers trying to get top dollar which is insane. Sometimes it makes me question the intelligence of chameleon owners.
Look at the mutt dog industry, they change the name to designer dogs. And now they are the trendy dogs to own, in the past you couldn't give em away.
Eventually it corrects itself. When the new "it" breed comes around.
jrh3
Established Member
Correct, this is what im trying to explain, people can say all they want about oh panthers are more expensive to raise than others, i call BS. They are just like any other chameleon actually i place them being number 2 with veiled being 1 on ease of care. You nailed it on the head with the paris hilton effect. Panthers that i see paying over 200 for are the hard to get locales not the common ambilobes, sambavas, and ambanjas. Even nosy be are becoming more common. If you look at parsons, 10-15 years ago they were cheap, because there were more of them and now they are high because they are rare. This is the opposite with the panther, there is probably more panthers in captivity than veileds. And a new panther bloodline can easily be obtained from importing, When is the last time a fresh blood of WC veileds were imported?
robmd1
Avid Member
lol @ used panther..... these threads make me laugh, it always comes down to ya get what you pay for... lol 90 bucks i pass just like id pass on them other good deals if you want to keep your stuff clean..
also veileds have bigger clutches an people also seem to dump them at 1-1.5 months old so not as long raising em.
opps ......
Trace
Captain Awesome
I agree with the OP; Panther pricing is ridiculous. It does not cost any more to raise a Panther to selling age than a Veiled. It's not any more difficult either. Over the years we have a drop in price on other commonly kept/bred reptiles (Veileds, Beardies, Leos, Corns, Balls for example) why not with Panthers? The "wow factor", "perceived value", "fancy colours" are not valid reasons to justify the high price on pardalis for me so I don't keep them.
Suppose Person A buys a top of the line female from Breeder B and a top of the line male from Breeder C and wants to sell offspring for $150. What makes their babies any worse than the breeders? It's top of the line, cherry picked stock. Not all bedroom breeders are necessarily bad keepers and have crappy stock.
I'm always amused when people say they are in the hobby for the love and fascination of chameleons but they are the first to complain with the prices drop on their so called investment grade animals.
Suppose Person A buys a top of the line female from Breeder B and a top of the line male from Breeder C and wants to sell offspring for $150. What makes their babies any worse than the breeders? It's top of the line, cherry picked stock. Not all bedroom breeders are necessarily bad keepers and have crappy stock.
I'm always amused when people say they are in the hobby for the love and fascination of chameleons but they are the first to complain with the prices drop on their so called investment grade animals.
People want color and they are willing to pay for it. The prices for panthers stay up because it continues to be profitable for those selling them. Why drop the prices when people readily buy them at inflated prices? If there were another species equally colorful it would probably be priced similarly.
jrh3
Established Member
Thank you, well said, they really are overated. I could care less about the money, i have a full time job, I just like the hobby, I would sell them for 40 bucks each if it wouldnt screw every one else. I dont mind giving great deals and you can ask past customers Im not in it for the money.
I was just dicussing the cost of raising babies another breeder. after bulbs,food the extra electricity,shipping supplys ,ect at 100 each you will not be raising panthers for long. 150 is a break even point and 200 will let you afford the nessary meds&proper supplys and a new cham here and there. over that will allow you make your hobbie into a full time job with enough breeders
Chuck G
Avid Member
I sell most of my Panther babies $250-$300,females slightly less and I sell out every time I have a clutch. There is more involved than breeding a pair of chameleons and selling babies. I spend an awful lot on nutrition for feeders,vet check ups,etc. to ensure nothing but the best is passed on to the consumer. I have an excellent reputation as not only a breeder that has beautiful chameleons but someone that will go toe to toe with anyone on the healthiest out there. Some of this is passed on naturally to the consumer.
Again,there is enough people to buy my chameleons at my price and people to buy your chameleons at your price.
robmd1
Avid Member
Well said kent....
ChromaChameleons
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Its clear that if veileds are hard to find , they are under priced. The distributors continually beat down the prices until all production stops. Then, the cycle starts over again... higher prices... more veiled production.
Breeders won't produce veileds at a loss.
The cheap Panther model has already been tried before and failed. Sure you can raise panthers, build your own cages and grow your own feeders and sell them at $90.00, but what about all the labour and unrealized soft expense {rent( assuming your mom charges you for using the garage), electricity, etc.} that you are not factoring in?
Breed panthers for 10 years , sell them for $90.00 for 10 years , then see how much profit you made. I guarantee that you will be eating cat food from a can by year 2.
Breeders won't produce veileds at a loss.
The cheap Panther model has already been tried before and failed. Sure you can raise panthers, build your own cages and grow your own feeders and sell them at $90.00, but what about all the labour and unrealized soft expense {rent( assuming your mom charges you for using the garage), electricity, etc.} that you are not factoring in?
Breed panthers for 10 years , sell them for $90.00 for 10 years , then see how much profit you made. I guarantee that you will be eating cat food from a can by year 2.
ChromaChameleons
New Member
If you advocate dropping prices ( remember Precision Labs???) until all commercial breeding stops, then the hobby either dies or resorts to mass importation of WCs. Even bedroom breeders tend to scale back after 1 or 2 clutches because of the lack of FREE time ( unrealized labour cost) to pursue continued hobby breeding.
drcrossfire
Avid Member
less eggs per clutch-- come from a different region of the world. smaller babies.
50-80 eggs per clutch????? wtf panthers do you have..... i get 20-30? anyone else getting... 80 eggs out of a panther?
Lots holes in you statement. A pre owned animal is a used animal and in no way deserves the insane pricing seen here and elsewhere. So your saying you are nothing more than a price tag queen, you have no proof of any bloodlines except for someone elses word who is trying to make money off of you. People. Sell their veiled earlier because they aren't waiting to see a color pattern so they can Jack up the price. Common sense is learned not a gift.
robmd1
Avid Member
lol pricetag queen? umm no i want a certin look the one that made me want falys to begin with, hey like i said if you dont care bout that look dont buy one...
an chuck G is rite he sells out ive tried to buy from him before....
