Parsonii Yellow Giant

[ReptiGeek]

I am not far from you. Granville is a beautiful area. If you have the option to move back to Vancouver and give your chameleons better homes, you should. Also I am sure that Vancouver will have more to offer when it comes to exotic pets (like vets and supplies) then Hong Kong might.
Heed those who give advice, for they only mean for the best. Regardless of how you came by them and what you have done this far, I hope for the best that you pull this around and put your chameleons health at a priority.

 

[Mike Fisher]

Mike Fisher: not too many Parsonii, in the last year about total 40-50pcs including the CB baby (about 30pcs) in the market, in the wild caught sub-adult and adult around 1800USD-3000USD, CB baby around 800-1000USD.

Well at least they are not giving them away, but if they are WC they are smuggled in one way or another. They may have obtained paperwork that says they are legal, but if they are WC, they are not. Even the CB babies are suspect.

I do wish you the best luck with them. Regardless of how you came by them and the investment you have in them, you should strive to give them the best care. Not just the best care possible with the means you currently have, but the best care period. If that means going out and buying several air conditioners, bigger enclosures, better lighting, lots more plants, and a watering system do it right away.

One of these days I hope to work with Parsoni. I am doing preparation now by working with other species, and learning from a few experienced keepers here. Please take all of their advice seriously.

 

[Todnedo]

Well at least they are not giving them away, but if they are WC they are smuggled in one way or another. They may have obtained paperwork that says they are legal, but if they are WC, they are not. Even the CB babies are suspect.

I do wish you the best luck with them. Regardless of how you came by them and the investment you have in them, you should strive to give them the best care. Not just the best care possible with the means you currently have, but the best care period. If that means going out and buying several air conditioners, bigger enclosures, better lighting, lots more plants, and a watering system do it right away.

One of these days I hope to work with Parsoni. I am doing preparation now by working with other species, and learning from a few experienced keepers here. Please take all of their advice seriously.

Your K Matschiei project will definitely teach you patients you need for parsoni.

 

[Mike Fisher]

Your K Matschiei project will definitely teach you patients you need for parsoni.

That's great to hear!

 

[ken8913]

I am not far from you. Granville is a beautiful area. If you have the option to move back to Vancouver and give your chameleons better homes, you should. Also I am sure that Vancouver will have more to offer when it comes to exotic pets (like vets and supplies) then Hong Kong might.
Heed those who give advice, for they only mean for the best. Regardless of how you came by them and what you have done this far, I hope for the best that you pull this around and put your chameleons health at a priority.

Thank u, even in H.K I must try to do and get the best with them, will update my Parsonii to u, u must see them keep glowing and healthy, I promise, in the cage size, I do not add one more into the cage again, I know must do not work now, again thx for your true heart help!

 

[ken8913]

Or if you can build an over sized enclosure such as one of these for each of your Parsonii. I have heard countless stories of WC Parsonii wasting away in short periods of time in enclosures that were far to small for them. Similar to the size enclosure you have got your adult male Yellow Giant in now. I have got an industrial sized metal halide too!

Thank u for your advise, is very good cage, I will think about it when he glowing, I still have plan, will use zoomed the larger one 48cm size, use 3 or 4 cage to fix one later because I will move litter bit later to get the new place, so will have some space to make the larger cage, I know u really want to help me for breeding good, u are real Chameleon lover, happy to talk to u, again many thx!

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

It is not exactly advise it is more along the lines of guidance to give your Parsonii a decent chance at living a long life. As of now you are a long ways a way from breeding any of your Parsonii. Maybe you can start to chat breeding when all of your Parsonii have adequate enclosures.

 

[ken8913]

It is not exactly advise it is more along the lines of guidance to give your Parsonii a decent chance at living a long life. As of now you are a long ways a way from breeding any of your Parsonii. Maybe you can start to chat breeding when all of your Parsonii have adequate enclosures.

I get it, sure I knew for the long term I must need to do something, so I will change when they are glowing up, really many thx!

 

[leedragon]

careful with the aircondition, I remember readin parsons can not stay the wind, kind like hoehnelies, can anybody correct me if I am wrong?

anyway, don´t forget to tread him for parasites

 

[ken8913]

careful with the aircondition, I remember readin parsons can not stay the wind, kind like hoehnelies, can anybody correct me if I am wrong?

anyway, don´t forget to tread him for parasites

Yes, u were right, so the wind must keep moving, if not they will getting sick, and I already make it the ventilation fan in every cages for fresh air draft too.

 

[pohchunyee]

Dear All,
Currently I have reside back in my homeland (Malaysia). I have started my reptile business back in Malaysia. Recently, I imported 40 veiled from USA and I will have 30 more panther coming soon. All CB and come with proper CITES.

Yesterday I was contacted by a fellow friend that someone have smuggled a few parsonii, globifer and panther into Malaysia. They are selling them at RM800 (around 260USD) for parsonii and globifer, and RM200 (around 65USD) for panther. It sadden me when i heard about it!!!

The saddest thing is my Veiled came in with proper documentation and within 2 weeks the market was flooded with Veiled smuggled from Thailand. It just hurt my business so badly as they are selling at a fraction of what I am selling.

Smuggling is a huge issue in South East Asia.... moreover world top 2 animal kingpin are Malaysian... LOL

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/print/2010/01/asian-wildlife/christy-text

 

[showjet95]

South East Asia is a plague to this planets wild places...

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

South East Asia is a plague to this planets wild places...

They have got such spectacular wildlife too. They have got to start with excepting more contemporary forestry practices especially when in regards to there designated preserves. Along with stop making traditional Asian medicine, that have been shown scientifically as non effective, as practices of the past. They seem to be a long culturally excepted placebo effect. A solution instead of Rhino horn or Tiger penis somebody start selling Viagra over there or something similar. I'm not joking!

 

[ken8913]

They have got such spectacular wildlife too. They have got to start with excepting more contemporary forestry practices especially when in regards to there designated preserves. Along with start making traditional Asian medicine, that have been shown scientifically as non effective, as practices of the past. They seem to be a long culturally excepted placebo effect. A solution instead of Rhino horn or Tiger penis somebody start selling Viagra over there or something similar. I'm not joking!

Yes, agree, we need to protect about them, Rhino，Tiger or any endangered species, sure I knew in China and some Asia country still have illegal trading, except Hong Kong and Japan I am sure is impossible can buy or have them, even any part from their body, is no any idea to pass the government to import and do the pappy work can get the any permit or liscence to legal have them, even no any underground market u can to buy but so sadly is still legal and very open can buy Shark Fin.......................but H.K government alway promo in the any Media ways asking to stop it.

 

[djfishygillz]

Yes, agree, we need to protect about them, Rhino，Tiger or any endangered species, sure I knew in China and some Asia country still have illegal trading, except Hong Kong and Japan I am sure is impossible can buy or have them, even any part from their body, is no any idea to pass the government to import and do the pappy work can get the any permit or liscence to legal have them, even no any underground market u can to buy but so sadly is still legal and very open can buy Shark Fin.......................but H.K government alway promo in the any Media ways asking to stop it.

You are apart of the illegal trading...

 

[erik775]

Dear All,
Currently I have reside back in my homeland (Malaysia). I have started my reptile business back in Malaysia. Recently, I imported 40 veiled from USA and I will have 30 more panther coming soon. All CB and come with proper CITES.

Yesterday I was contacted by a fellow friend that someone have smuggled a few parsonii, globifer and panther into Malaysia. They are selling them at RM800 (around 260USD) for parsonii and globifer, and RM200 (around 65USD) for panther. It sadden me when i heard about it!!!

The saddest thing is my Veiled came in with proper documentation and within 2 weeks the market was flooded with Veiled smuggled from Thailand. It just hurt my business so badly as they are selling at a fraction of what I am selling.

Smuggling is a huge issue in South East Asia.... moreover world top 2 animal kingpin are Malaysian... LOL

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/print/2010/01/asian-wildlife/christy-text

what the hell thats dirt cheap

 

[djfishygillz]

what the hell thats dirt cheap

Yeah it is great to see the crooks get them for dirt cheap then take crap care of them and they die. Then great breeders like the ones in Europe and Chuck G over here pay tens of thousands to get their projects going and do it right.

 

[ken8913]

You are apart of the illegal trading...

Sorry, what I have any illegal trading??? If u want still stay about my Parsonii question, I really welcome u can go to check H.K Fish and Animal department , in Cites 2 can do the paper work get the permit to import for sale and bred, so any country have different law for the Cites rules, depends on if that's animal can legal export from the original country, can accept import or not by the Cites country or city, not is all Cites members must can not import any Cites species.

 

[ken8913]

So pls can u tell me what happen about these?

Between January of 1988 and June of 1994, over 4000 C. parsonii were reported to have been imported to the USA. Most people agree that the actual number of animals entering the country was significantly higher. Not accounted for are animals smuggled on the black market or which were not accounted for in shipping documents.

http://www.skypoint.com/members/mikefry/parsonii2.html

 

[pohchunyee]

I would agree with Ken here. Smuggling are everywhere. Not just in South East Asia. If Veiled and Panther were not smuggled into USA, how can you all be keeping them right now? How many died during the process before some are being shipped legally with proper CITES? Those who survived, sired a part of the colony in USA. Just that now it is happening in South East Asia more frequently, doesn't mean it didn't happen somewhere else.

Dear erik775 and djfishygillz. Yes, the smuggled chameleon offered in Malaysia is cheap. But they usually die within 2 weeks time. No one dares to touch them anymore.